Why are feminists so aggressive?

Nice Girl Feminism? Was going to say Doormat Feminism but I suppose that fails the politeness rule...

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feminists are so mean that they stop people from sympathising with them

that was a square I missed on my card

if feminists just stopped going on about it all the time I expect all the raping, sexual assault, voyeurism, flashing, sexual coercion would just stop

in many ways I blame Mary Wollstonecraft. If that woman knew what her legacy was to be, she never would have slept at night

I'm really laughing now. This is a zombie thread, raised by a now deleted troll post, and certain folk have taken the opportunity to tell the women here how to do feminism better, which is apparently achieved by a mix of being a bit more twee in their manner of expression, and thinking more about how to solve men's problems.

Which branch of feminism shall we call this? Would Patriarchy be too obvious? How about Cock Feminism?

being turned down by women? miles worse than being murdered kittens

so bad that you're allowed to talk about how bad it is even if it hasn't happened to you

it really is that serious

#prayfortheshortmen

Yup, cue the ad hominems. I'll tick that off my list as well.

I just think that a lot of feminism is divisive, sometimes by intent and sometimes not, and this isn't the best way to realistically solve any problems. There are good men and bad men (with some bad pretending to be good obv) and using class analysis to try and lay responsibility at the feet of the men not perpetrating the crimes discussed is unlikely to make them allies. In fact, it's likely to do the opposite.

Some of you likely won't care about this (in spite of it making things worse for women as a class) and others will say 'but we can't tell the good men from the bad'. But you can be assured that the men who don't rape, abuse, and murder know they're not the ones responsible and telling them it's their responsibility to 'sort out the bad men' is likely to create resistance - it's human nature.

I really think the best option is for society to work in sorting it out and that many feminists don't help by trying to split it between the sexes and say 'it's not our responsibility'. This is the complete opposite of 'stepping up' IMO. I'm just glad that the many woman who are making a difference in the police force, social services, military, courts, etc, aren't sitting back and saying 'not my problem. Talk to the menz'.

Is being turned down by overly picky women who won't date men who're short or poor or bald better or worse than being murdered, I wonder?

Wait, have we done the draft yet?

well at least by the standards of 'you can't complain about women getting murdered unless you've actually been murdered yourself', I expect randall can talk with impunity about women's unreasonable pickiness when it comes to which men they will date

I expect loads of women have declined to date randall

I mean, loads of men have refused to date me, but it hadn't previously occurred to me that I could claim it as a source of oppression

One might gently suggest that if Randall was to stop vaping the seductive fumes of self pity his life might improve.

*I'm cis northern, mate, we don't do any of that shit where I'm from
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Does that mean you were actually born in the north, or is it just that you identify as being from the north? Perhaps that is why you use the word ' mate'? Isn't that how all northern folk speak?

and I'm loving the idea that factual responses to you are 'soundbites'

having someone saw your pelvic bone during childbirth without consultation and consent? a mere soundbite! away with your piffling details!

that's not how class analysis works Randall

there aren't two classes in the whole world and that's it

dearie, dearie me

WTF, somehow 'CEO' became 'vape'. 😂

There are plenty on ways in which men aren't doing so well but I'd imagine you know them all and have soundbites to answer each. WATM, whataboutery, etc... 😴

If it's so great being a man why is suicide the most common cause of death in males under 50yo?

And I'm sceptical about class analysis. Looking at classes means that the class with 49 homeless men and Bill Gates is considered more 'privileged' than the class of 50 women earning £100k a year, as the former group is wealthier as whole.

The majority of CEOs being men doesn't = the majority of men being Vape.

and they're happier too kittens. deep down. when they're not being beaten up for letting a strange man see their hair. or prosecuted by the state for having a miscarriage. or being married to a middle aged man before they've reached menarche

deep down, women are much happier when traditional things like that happen to them

And then it will be time to discuss how much better women are in Foreign Parts on account of being more traditional.

height

oh yes. I forgot how oppressed short men are due to not being able to have sex with hot women as is their fundamental human right

#sad

what man bashing is that Randall?

noticing that men commit 80% of violent crime and 98% of sexual offences?

noticing that some whiny men would rather whine than admit that as a class they are a member of the most advantaged group, even if as individuals they may not be more advantaged than other members of different classes?

So next up is height, right?

FTR, you're doing a pretty good job of proving the point in the OP. 👍

SExism probably works all ways, but on average it hurts women a lot more than it hurts men.

I do 100% support any initiative that attempts to help either sex with their problems, be it male suicide or VAWG. I just don't think that the 'man bashing' we so often see really helps anything.

I didn't really think about it tbh until I read an article that suggested swapping the words 'man' with another group and it really hit home then. Wouldn't be acceptable to start a thread saying 'I'm starting to hate black people', foe instance, so why is it ok to hate on men? I'm sure people will propose that male violence is the reason, but certain ethnic groups are also more violent than others and yet this doesn't make it socially acceptable to denounce them in the same way as men or discuss it through the lens of class analysis. I'm curious why that is.

I'm not commenting on sahm mums

I didn't mention SAHMs.

Of course, one could argue that it's toxic masculinity but many women still want the successful partner

That's got to sting mate, for you. Perhaps you need come councelling to get through it? Is that why you come onto mumsnet and try and tell us how bad men have it?

Oh look, cross posted with a variation on 'women like tough men'. women heap pressure on men by refusing to date them if they aren't financially successful

I'll call that a partial dab

so I've got tocked off

• feminists are too angry
• women have it easy
• you haven't personally been murdered/raped/genitally mutilated/subjected to symphesiotomy so what's your problem?

I'm holding out for

• women like tough men
• women chose lower paid work
• women are better suited to staying at home with children
• what about Sweeden, huh, HUH??

I'm not commenting on sahm mums. More on the fact that men are still expected to be 'successful' and a lot of women wouldn't date a financially poor man. It's definitely much more acceptable for a woman to be a receptionist and have a bigshot husband than the other way around, which is likely why men who become SAHD are much more likely to have their partner file for divorce.

Of course, one could argue that it's toxic masculinity but many women still want the successful partner which is of less concern to most guys. One only has to look on dating websites to see modestly employed women demanding 'successful' partners.