Why are feminists so aggressive?

(back in the morning)

Pear would you not be pissed off if like me you had been through domestic violence etc?

Do not come across as particularly prickly?

Be angry about real problems that are happening now.

Which specific issues that are happening now make you angry, Thephoneywar? Let's find some common ground.

I just don't understand the problem with Lass, I really think you have her so so wrong, but I'm gonna stay out of that.

Vestal I'm quite convinced after watching lots of weird YouTube videos, that human beings have been around and had cultures long before we think, I also think that women ruled many societies back in the day. Despite being from the Abrahanic religions myself, I do think that this patriarchy has only been about for a couple thousand years.

Even if you look at the spartans in ancient roman times, their women ruled men and the men were quite happy about this. Perhaps we can't quite understand this coming from a background where women have been oppressed for so long, we are the descendants of Ancient Rome after all. But not all civilisations had their degree of patriarchy and my gosh the Greeks were even worse.

The way I see it my ancestors the celts had women's rights and female leaders for centuries. But the roman invasion and then a twisted version of Christianity fucked that up.

That's my take on it anyway.

Well I guess the original question has been answered really.

like some of you said, you are angry, and do therefore sound angry. it shouldn't be of any surprise then, that people might find this board room, and feminist in general, aggressive, and label it as such.

Yeh, I'm why women are not feminist. Problem solved

Not what I said.

You are however the reason a poster has stopped posting. Your self pity is wearisome. You were happy to attack another poster, without justification, but my goodness how dare any one call you out on it.

Be angry about real problems that are happening now.

I am, which was the point of my post. I'm enraged by male violence against women and girls, ruining and taking the lives of so many because the lives are/were female lives.

You weren't alive hundreds or thousands of years ago. Neither were the men that you appear to be so angry at.

So WHAT?

If they didn't agree with what their male ancestors did, they could just, you know, stop doing the exact same thing. Which they don't. Because oppressing women is "tradition" and all that other nonsense. Which is why history matters, why it matters that men have been doing this shit for centuries.

Again: If they were sooo very different from the men from before, sooo wonderfully, perfectly different people, they could just stop oppressing women.

@NoLoveofMine,

Be angry about real problems that are happening now. No need to be angry about what our ancestors did.

All groups have their historical oppressors, sexual, racial, ethnic, cultural etc.

My ethnicity were historically oppressed. I am not angry at the nation that exists today, because the people who did the oppression are dead and gone.

Yeh, I'm why women are not feminist. Problem solved

Lass, I know you like to hunt. I'll roll over and show you my tummy. Leave me alone

You weren't alive hundreds or thousands of years ago. Neither were the men that you appear to be so angry at.

I'm angry at the men who are rather aggressive to women and girls rather regularly in the present of whom there are a huge number. Aside from the physical attacks, men such as these who harass women and girls constantly: www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/west-london-news/woman-told-i-hope-you-13041666

Also, many women and girls are no longer alive due to their lives being cut short by men for no other reason than they were female. I'm quite angry about that too.

I don't know who has a doctorate here, I don't. I greatly appreciate the posters on this board who are well read and can introduce me to new ideas and reading suggestions. They help make FWR challenging and stimulating which is part of why I like this board. I also greatly appreciate the posters who might not have read much at all but who provide unique perspectives because of their particular life experiences. They help me see beyond my bubble. I can't think of many places on the net that have the quality of feminist discussion that happens on MN, both in terms of ideas and PARD. Perhaps the people who are criticising FWR have suggestions for other forums that do it better?

Sometimes the discussion moves beyond my comprehension, e.g. the discussions on epistemology that happened a while back, but I didn't take that as a personal slight, I just moved on to other threads. I think it would have been fine if I'd said on one of those threads 'I don't understand, can you give me an example or suggest a beginner's guide?' I didn't because I didn't have the spare brain capacity at the time to start wrestling with that level of new theory, but I'm glad the threads were there because lots of other people got a lot out of them.

What usually happens after these sorts of threads is someone suggests a 'beginners' thread. Lots of posters who are genuinely interested in feminism but are feeling a bit daunted express their support and FWR regulars put time and energy into making the threads useful. Then a bunch of snipers, who were never that interested in feminism in the first place, come along and declare the beginners threads patronising.

I dunno what the answer is. Posting in genuine good faith and being prepared to have your assumptions and beliefs challenged, without automatically seeing that challenge as an attack, would go a long way. Feminism is not comfortable, it's scary, because a lot is wrong with the world and the way women and girls are treated so a lot needs to change. Cozy, comfy, unchallenging 'feminism' is completely pointless. If you don't believe change is needed, why even bother adopting that label?

Assigned you have sort of handed on a plate a perfect example of the sort of thing non regulars on FWR complain about and why they don't post here.

You were wrong ; you were unnecessarily rude to another non-regular poster (who has now gone ) but you can't bring yourself to say so without this nonsense about being "scolded".

I have a bee in my bonnet about the hypocrisy. Lots of complaints that it is so unfair that this part of the forum gets criticised yet only 1 poster (YetanotherSpartacus) made any attempt to give support to the other poster; not even the self- defined staunch radical feminist.

You weren't alive hundreds or thousands of years ago. Neither were the men that you appear to be so angry at.

Because we're pissed off that we're still dealing with the same old crap!

Yeah, makes me very angry, that!

Though I have to say, all things considered, feminists are still much nicer than men have any right to expect.

You can't trample someone's human rights with feet for hundreds and thousands of years, refuse to change anything when asked nicely, and then complain that the people you oppress stop asking nicely and get a bit more forceful.

We have every right to be a lot more aggressive than we actually are, really.

It's not. Only people with doctorates need comment. Otherwise fuck off.

Lots of people without doctorates post on here and I think it's fine for people who do have doctorates to mention it. That's a totally inaccurate and unnecessarily aggressive post.

I see you have a bee somewhere about me publicly flagellating myself, But I'm done. I suspect it won't satisfy you. I will try to live with that.

Sorry to be clear I was referring to your " I didn't mean to upset".

Looking it up would have helped as well to find loads of examples of people enthusiastically calling themselves "staunch supporters" of whatever their pet cause is.

I think there's an assumption that a feminist board, by it's nature, should be inclusive to all women It's not. Only people with doctorates need comment. Otherwise fuck off.

A rather passive aggressive reply Assigned

I suppose it would be asking too much for you to apologise to the poster you claimed was being aggressive? It wasn't her fault that you didn't understand the common meaning of the word or that you refused to listen to her.

Thanks Elendon

I had to look that up! Such an education on here!

@Bertrand,

I think there's an assumption that a feminist board, by it's nature, should be inclusive to all women and their opinions, even if there is disagreement. So when there's name calling etc it can feel a bit off putting.

I guess that's the nature of the internet.

Thanks for the support Assigned. Please accept my heartfelt support.

Scold's Bridle then?

I didn't mean to upset anyone, but I will consider myself well scolded.

Well I guess that "as for not having a go at anyone" other interpretations are available. Seachange was upset by what you said.