Why are feminists so aggressive?

Thephoneywar - Issues that make me angry? I wouldn't say any issues make me angry.

So no changes are needed in society? All the battles are won? What is feminism for in your opinion? I see from earlier in the thread you say you are a liberal feminist - if you don't believe change is needed, why even bother adopting the feminist label at all?

We could talk about the disproportionate effects of climate change on women or the disproportionate effects of poverty on women if you like - those are reasons to be angry.

Well ok I have said it a few times but I am not rude or aggressive but as soon as I say I'm a feminist people assume I am.

Oh ok x

No, sorry, I was replying to bertrandrussell

I think Pear is referring specifically to Bertrand 's reply.

I am very angry yes.

Do you mean me Pear?

So feminists are never allowed to be angry or sound angry or disagree
With any other women or be anything but supportive all other women? How the fuck does that work?

If you read my comment again. You will see I never said anything about wether you should be, or shouldn't be. Or whether you are allowed to be, or not. the question was..

Why are feminist so aggressive?

I merely answered the question as to why some may view feminist or this board as such. If you are Angry, people will notice and say your angry. no matter what the reason is
Think your response is actually an example of what some may be talking about when they ask the question above.

The chavs have taken over Mumsnet feminist boards tonight! or one chave (me!) at least. I have absolutely no qualifications at all having left school at 15, and maybe I get things mixed up and can't always follow the thread, but that doesn't put me off posting here. I love being in the company of seriously clever women.

I realised this while dealing with my solicitor and barristers while trying to get away from my abusive ex. I just love the company of really clever educated women. Maybe because there are so many strong women in my family.

Anyway I might not always get the point but I'm still going to make my point, you get me?

Hey Phony I have found that Vestal is angry like I am, obviously can't speak on her behalf.

But I am raising young men here, a few of which have no family relationship to me at all, but they know I'm there for them. Basically after my stepson was killed last year I tend to have a house filled with young confused men. All through the week.

I think it's perfectly possible to be absolutely furious and also care about the young men in my life and respect the male relatives I have who are good men. And the young men I deal with still turn up at my door despite my feminist rage so I'm obviously doing something right.

I have never heard of those books, so will have to add them to the list at some point.

@pencilsinspace

Issues that make me angry? I wouldn't say any issues make me angry.

On a wider level, outside of feminism, climate change and poverty are the issues that concern me most.

@Vestal,

Men are people too. Just like you and me. It's as if you think they have some innate original sin just because they have a penis.

Now then Lass swing as you aren't a fan of religion especially the abrahamic faiths, what do you think of the idea that at points in history women were absolutely in charge? As a non feminist I'm interested in your POV

I have absolutely no idea if this might be the case. It is not something I have come across or thought of - other than in fiction

Marion Zimmer Bradley's The Mists of Avalon is about the power of the Godess and defying an Abrahamic religion (which will eventually triumph)

On a similar theme Chris Beckett's Dark Eden trilogy deals with humanity having to recreate itself on a different planet from only 1 couple- which starts as a matriarchal society with a female quasi deity but whose history gets distorted and diminished as society develops (although the founding mother gets her status back in the end)

Aplogies if everyone is already familiar with these books.

My dog proves females being in charge to me really. Dogs have lived with human beings for at least 15,000 years and they absolutely understand and respect the alpha female human.

Maybe our superior language skills led our ancestors to seeing women as diplomats?

Oh gosh I could chat about this all night.

Seeing not swing

Now then Lass swing as you aren't a fan of religion especially the abrahamic faiths, what do you think of the idea that at points in history women were absolutely in charge? As a non feminist I'm interested in your POV.

Amazing! It's just what I thought, but because we are so used to patriarchy it's difficult to accept. I mean just look at art work of human beings from the ancient past, there are so many fertility goddess statues, women with big boobs bellies etc, we must have had our fertility worshipped at some points in time. I think back in the day women were completely equal and at some points in charge.

Oh wow! I shall read that thanks! I think because we assume men have always been in charge we misinterpret things from our past, but gonna go read it!

Did you see this in the news this week Titania?
www.inquisitr.com/4476847/male-and-female-roles-different-in-stone-and-bronze-age-women-spread-culture-and-traveled-men-stayed-home/

Perfect I really don't think Lass is who you think she is. You both just need to chill and will probably have loads of view in common.

Anyway I'm being an interfering old bag, sorry!!

But vestal if you look at the ancient celts they already had women's rights and rights for disabled people. Our ancestors in the British Isles were strong free wild women.

And I called out the word, not the poster. The poster subsequently disagreed with me. There was debate, other posters were involved. It was not an extraordinary debate.

You seem massively invested in this. Are you losing in court these days or something?

Am I to STFU because you tell me to? Is Elendon permitted to have an understanding of a word but not me?

Tell me the rules because I do so want to conform