Transgender rapist moved to women's prison segregated after unwanted advances

*violent

Mustang27

The term transgender doesn't include any element of genuineness or not. It's whatever anyone says they are. Irrespective of whether they have gender dysphoria or whether they present as female or whether they merely enjoy a cross dressing fetish. Irrespective of whether they've had surgery and whether they are attracted to men or women.

However the very last person to be housed with women should be a violence, deluded rapist.

No exactly. Where do people get these bizarre ideas? Yet think it's a ok to put rapists in with female prisoners?

It's basic human rights, right?

It's not a basic human right to force everyone else to pretend that you are the opposite sex.

What about the basic human rights of the women concerned not to share with violent males?

Even if they had fully transitioned they can still rape as can another woman rape another woman.

If they are genuinely transgender and they were fully analysed why shouldn't they be allowed a chance to be with the gender they see themselves as? It's basic human rights, right?

Vestal obviously it would take a joint effort, and possibly some kind of weapon. Are you suggesting violence never happens in a womans prison? Women can and do take physical revenge against paedophiles, even on their own.

I thought paedophiles and child rapists were segregated anyway, to protect them against violence from other inmates.

Yeah, that's what happens in men's prisons.

Apparently he felt safe enough in the women's prison to make those unwanted advances.

Or have I been watching too much cell block H? Can only imagine what Queen Bea would have done to him.

I suppose you have. I fear real life prisons have a regrettable lack of women who'd be both able and willing to beat up the pedophile. Otherwise, men like him would never even consider demanding to be put in a women's prison.

Possibly all women who'd do such a thing are put in isolation cells for being "crazy" and "aggressive". That's what they usually do to women who attack men.

I thought paedophiles and child rapists were segregated anyway, to protect them against violence from other inmates.
Actually this could be what is happened here. I don't think a group of women, some of them presumably mothers, would be too welcoming to a child molester in their midst, and seeing as he would be outnumbered at times he could be the one at risk.
Or have I been watching too much cell block H? Can only imagine what Queen Bea would have done to him.

He raped two young girls, they were children

I now feel an urge to kick out the teeth of the person who decided he should go to a women's prison.

He raped two young girls, they were children

Yes, there is obviously a bit more to this story yet to come...

Jessica Winfield, 50, formerly Martin Ponting, was jailed in 1995 for an attack on two girls

So this person has spent 22 years in prison. That is a very very, long stretch for the UK.

"Life" in the UK does not automatically mean life. Anyone who has been there for 22 years not only must have been guilty of a very serious and aggravated crime but also must have shown no remorse or evidence of rehabilitation.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/transgender-rapist-womens-prison-segregation-sexual-advances-inmates-sexual-assualt-a7932866.html

The Indie are claiming that the story is false, but that he has been segregated

Sadly, we need situations like this to happen. Otherwise, the TAs will just keep saying that they never do happen.

Eh, it has happened already, many times, and they still say that.

They are utterly, completely removed from reality. As one would expect from people who happily deny realities that are right in front of their eyes, such as the existence of two sexes with different roles in reproduction that cannot be changed.

Perhaps Flying wants to open a new thread about prisons

Not particularly!

I'm not going to go digging through reams of statistics to prove that women have better access to education. I'm not sure they'd exist, all I can say is what I saw over many years in the service at many jails, not what I heard from a third party.

The other thing I would ask is can you think of any female jails that's not relatively new? Off the top of my head I can't (I'm talking England and Wales). No female jail is an old, crumbling, Victorian building. Newer jails do have far better facilities.

Ultimately though jails aren't about prisoners or officers or men or women or transgendered. They're about people as individuals. It's about getting staff that are skilled and experienced enough to ensure everyone's safety.

I wonder if even they will balk at that given the difference in likelihood of violence between the general population who use public toilets and the prison population.

Probably not.

I really hope prisons do not become gender neutral! The majority of violent crime is carried out by men!

Well, as rapists are already put into women's prisons, I have to admit I am not so much worried about men who are in prison for beating up other men or for nonviolent crimes, also go there.

They might even balance things out somewhat.

Only concern is the high percentage of rapists in the general male population, and thus any prison population. There's probably lots of rapists in prison who are not in prison for their rapes, but for other crimes.

Sadly, we need situations like this to happen. Otherwise, the TAs will just keep saying that they never do happen.

I really hope prisons do not become gender neutral! The majority of violent crime is carried out by men!

Because I heard exactly the opposite: That women's prisons are shit, because they are so few of them that it doesn't seem worth the effort to provide decent rehabilitation and education options.

I work in a male cat B. I bank in the local female prison. The female prison doesn't have rats and cockroaches for starters. The female prisoners all have access to pillows, clean kit, enough food. I cannot say the sane about the local cat B sadly.

thanks flipflop, that's given me some food for thought on the practicalities of the situation. I'm more concerned than ever, though...

Prison allowance rates and info listed here, trans prisoners receive the highest allowance, rates table on page 9,

www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprisons/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2016/01/Earning-and-spending-money-findings-paper-final-draft.pdf

I think you missed the point. Cuts to staffing levels means the most experienced staff have left. Leaving us open to stupid decision making like this.

That's a theory.

However, I have met several people who went to university and returned brainwashed idiots. Those people presumably were smart beforehand.

My theory is that this is a problem caused by misogyny and transideology, and everyone (except radical feminists) is vulnerable to that. Even experienced prison staff.
Especially if experienced prison staff are forced by idiot politicians, to give MtT what they want, or else.

If it were just about money, leaving the MtT in men's prison would be the cheaper option. No serious thought required, a monkey, okay, an ape, would be quite able to figure it out. It is because they hate women that they even consider putting a male rapist into a women's prison.

Perhaps Flying wants to open a new thread about prisons. I for one would like some numbers on the claimed better access female prisoners have to education. Because I heard exactly the opposite: That women's prisons are shit, because they are so few of them that it doesn't seem worth the effort to provide decent rehabilitation and education options.