Urinals again - sorry

You have the community toilet scheme - Google for your area. In my local town you can use mc Donald's and sainsburys - mc d's is always very clean but sainsburys is hit and miss.

As for those pop up urinals they are disgusting. As a mother of two boys - youngest 4 - they know they have to wait and find a public loo unless we are in the middle of know where then it is a bush.

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Just asked DH. He said he doesn't really understand the 'bar peanuts covered in urine' thing as it's completely unnecessary to get pee on your hands. But that shaking can occasionally do it, if you're not careful.

Women can't shake though. On the rare occasions where no loo roll has been forthcoming, I've had to just, well, sit and wait. Drip dry my friend calls it. Totally impractical for women.

One stumbling block that might be difficult to overcome is just that male and female anatomy is just different. It's easier and quicker for men and boys to pee. They can also do it more discreetly even if they choose not to be discreet about it.

On the subject of washing, is it unhygienic for a man to not wash hands after peeing? If they go into a pop up cubicle, no doors to touch, not lid to lift, they only handle their penis? I know it might be an unpleasant thought, somebody has just handled their cock, then they shake your hand, but any actual health issues with that? Genuine question.

Yes - very much so.

Slim - I live in northern Italy. We do actually have urinals along some roads, in fact once the bus I was on stopped at a red light and the driver got out for a pee (at a urinal ). 5000 euros is a ridiculous amount to have to pay. Peeing in the street is grim but sometimes you have to go!

and more police, and peeing on the street should lead to a fine

Way back in 1982 when I was doing my traineeship it was. In the city I worked in it was prosecuted under a local civic amenity Act. I can't remember the exact details but the offence was contravention of section ...of ....Act -

I think teaching girls to pee in a forest or remote place is fine.

But I am constantly surprised by how parents will encourage boys to pee in public when there are toilets available. I was in a busy seaside town on a Saturday afternoon once and saw this family (a 'typically middle class family' based on how they were dressed and how they were talking) and the mum encouraged her two boys, aged maybe 4 and 6, to pee in the middle of the busy street, against the wall right next to the door of the toilets. The toilets were there, they were busy, they were clean, they even had an attendant. But instead of the boys' dad taking them into them, they both peed in the street. I'm not often one for pearl clutching but I was disgusted.

Similarly we were out with friends at a NT property when their son was about five years old. He announced he needed a pop and although the toilets were less than five minutes walk away, his dad took him into the trees instead to poo in there. I don't think I managed to hide my shock.

I'm sure a cubicle can be made small enough that two people could barely fit in anyway.

Not a solution. For one, fat people still have to fit in, and also ... I once was at a festival with tiny, tiny, tiny toilets. Still heard rumours about people having sex in the (also unisex) toilets.

An attendant who frequently checks the toilets would be the best solution to that particular problem. And also ensure that the toilets are clean.

Vestal, I am one of those women so I am making sure that I teach my DDs how to wee outside.

We need public toilets it's ridiculous how difficult it is to pee whilst out.
They don't have doors I imagine because otherwise men start cottaging. Not the way to stop it though!

I agree about it accommodating the behaviour. There should be more public toilets, and more police, and peeing on the street should lead to a fine. 5000 euros seems excessive, but perhaps the specific case warranted it.

Someone in another toilet thread posted a link to a site that explained how public toilets enabled women in Britain to participate in public life.
One could go as far as saying that this vandalism of public toilets is an act of misogyny.
The government should really make an effort to reintroduce, and protect, public toilets. (Which should be free of charge and funded by taxes, so no one thinks they can "save money" by not using them)

About teaching children to wait for a toilet ... I do think parents should teach girls how to pee behind some bushes when walking through a forest. Some women cannot pee without a loo even as adults, and I don't know how they even manage to get through life. It is one of the things you can learn MUCH, MUCH easier as a child, as the potential embarrassment is entirely different.

Cities are a different thing. I am quite shocked anyone would encourage little boys to pee on the streets!

Unfortunately in Bristol the sight of women pissing in alleyways and behind wheels bins is so common you forget to notice it. However that's late at night when the pubs and clubs are in full swing. I find it amazing that during the working day grown ups can't go for a wee either before they leave one place or when they arrive at the other.

I have a real bee in my bonnet about men feeling the need to pee anywhere and everywhere.

But so many parents encourage it from a young age. Little girls are taught from the moment they are potty trained that they will have to learn to control their bladder until a toilet is available. Yet I couldn't count the number of times I have seen parents of boys say 'oh, just nip over there behind that tree'. And then those same boys are adults who say 'oh, women don't understand, men can't wait in the same way, when we need to go, we need to go'. Yet the men I know who were taught from childhood that they have to wait for a toilet are perfectly able to control their bladders just like women have to.

Up to about thirty years ago there were plenty of public loos in London, every larger shopping area had them. There was an attendant, they were usually clean, you often had to pay a penny ( pre decimalisation). Cuts, vandalism, cottaging all led to them being closed down, almost none left that I know of now. The automated ones with sliding doors are dotted around, sometimes out of order and frequently dirty inside. This is a real problem - I reckon part of the reason there are so many coffee shops now is that people need to use their loos!
Pop up urinals are fine for men, not great for women, and like pps I don't want to see, hear or smell people pissing when I walk down the road.

Oh I've never heard of this, it sounds revolting!
I would hate to be walking past that 😝

I have also never heard of pop up urinals . It took me a while to work out what everyone was on about.

Anyway, they sound awful. Surely there should just be more public toilets rather than encouraging people to wee where ever!

Never heard or seen pop up urinals. Is there alsowashing facilities or is it pee and go?

The ones I've seen are pee and go. Mind you, given the stats on how many men wash their hands anyway, it's not a great difference.

It's not a pleasant thought is it.

The one's I've seen abroad (again, not looked too closely) and the ones we hired for a local event are pretty much vandalism proof. Moulded plastic with a drain hole leading to a tank.
Not sure how you could make such simple ones for women.
A bit like this:
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I've seen bus shelters with a urinal stuck on the end in France!

There do need to be more public loos. With attendants to deter the vandalism, drug use etc that caused so many to be closed in the first place. I wouldn't mind paying a small amount (20p) to have access to a clean public loo. It seems to work in other countries (France again).