Quick - having feminist debate with DS1(14) - I need some statistics

Any you can't see why a young lad who has done nothing wrong at this stage of his life might find this attitude offensive and might send him to websites that claim they're fighting for 'men's right'. It's no different to calling all white people racist.

I think the most significant difference between misogyny and misandry is that we don't have equality and one group has far more real power than the other. This is ingrained in our history and culture. So yes, sexism is analogous to racism.

I would like women to be liberated from male oppression, we can work on the equality after that.

Misandry is the equivalent or reverse racism, it stops people solving problems.

Pacific did ds listen to you?

Nope, and your choice of wording is deliberately goading. Misogyny is clearly males hating female but then Misandry is females hating men. Which is why if people want equality it should be a sexism issue.

Manclife = so misogyny is the fault of feminists? If we were only a bit, what, nicer then there wouldn't be any misogyny? Is that right?

Manclife, anyone with half a brain knows the internet is full of hyperbole, hatred, trolling, groupthink, extremism, people having a bad day, people getting worked up and over stating arguments, clunky wording, misinterpretation, assumption making, straw men, people who are just a bit thick, angry people, over invested people, bullying, rage and so on.

If teenagers are coming off Internet forums and believe they actually reflect what people really think contrary to the evidence of everyday life, then there's a big problem with their perception of the world.

Both of my teen dsc (boy & girl) are anti feminist, and think that anything post-suffragettes is just man hating. I don't really feel like I have the power to change anything of to intervene m as they are not my own children, and it is just so depressing knowing what their views are.

Another ancient (59) mother in a male household here. Mine are older now, 19 and 21 but we've had all these conversations. You don't stop engaging with your son's when they are 14 because that is a very impressionable age and they do like to shock . Persevere because it will pay off in the end.
much male violence is directed against males This is very true. I remember a trying to explain this to DS2 when we were walking through a dodgy part of town. As a middle aged woman I was much safer than a young man alone would be.

Hmm...sounds a bit like "not all Asians are terrorist but all terrorist are Asian"

I need to type faster.

Then you've not been reading some of the comments I've seen here:

1. One person saying a man must have raped a women despite the woman being convicted of making the whole thing up.

2. Males only get raped in prison and then it's only because there are no women

That's just in the past 2 days. Just see how quickly the word Misogyny is levelled in comments unrelated to male/female issues. Now look at it from a young persons point of view. Those comments were made on a popular website under the topic 'feminism' and were not only not challenged but the 'rad fems' (their word not mine) agreed and made even more inflammatory comments.

There's a HUGE community of intelligent people here who could make a big difference to people's attitudes. It just seems to being wasted.

It's pretty normal to hear that pink is for girls. You can see it in clothing, card shops etc. It's not something most people get worked up about.

It's ridiculous. No colour is "for" any sex. It may not be on the same scale as the misogyny which is inherent in society but it's still lamentable.

Misogyny is equivalent to racial supremacism.

Sexism is equivalent to racism.

No, Misogyny, racism they are from the same stable.

I imagine that you feel sexism is when a woman says something a bit mean about a man instead of seeing it as a something that men do to women.

It's pretty normal to hear that pink is for girls. You can see it in clothing, card shops etc. It's not something most people get worked up about.

Not at all the same kind of thing as this internet stuff.

Unfortunately the posts above (and many many other on MN) fuel this view in young men (and women) yet it is rarely challenged.

Misogyny is not like Racism, Sexism is like Racism.

Misogyny, like racism, is something that needs correcting.

There's a difference between extremes and extremism.

Extremism is things like ISIS and MRAs.

Also I don't understand some reactions here (well i do, it's the internet), teenagers are meant to try out extremes. And as a pp in the safety of their family unit they can try them on for size.
Why if ds is looking to speak out against sexism but wants the articulate argument? Maybe not as thought out at that.
Lots of people are radically into things as young people. It's forms who they are as adults but for goodness sake you can take a few wrong turns (she's says looking at the communist manifesto on the bookcase)

My daughter is 12 and the misogyny spouted by her male classmates is fucking worrying. The fact that it's worse than I suffered in the eighties is cause for concern.

Parents have got to challenge this, well done for having a go Pacific and challenging his ideas.

It's almost that our kids are parented by their parents, and the internet.