Should rape be considered as a hate crime?

Thanks.

IdoHaveAName

It's a case of 'I see, I want, I will have, You're a piece of meat'.

I was raped if that makes any difference. He's now doing 9 years so probably out in 5. Serial rapist.

Datun' s correct. Sex is not an aggravating hate crime factor.

The Association of Chief Police Officers and the CPS have agreed a common definition of hate crime: "Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice based on a person's race or perceived race; religion or perceived religion; sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation; disability or perceived disability and any crime motivated by hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender or perceived to be transgender."

Not sex.

manclife

Most forces treat a crime which happens due to someone's sex as being a hate crime.

"Do some posters on MN even bother to do basic research before posting their diatribe?"

Perhaps you can point me in the direction of where sex is the basis for a hate crime. Because the CPS seem to disagree.

"Hate Crime What is it?

A Hate Incident is any incident which the victim, or anyone else, thinks is based on someones prejudice towards them because of their race, religion, sexual orientation, disability or because they are transgender."

www.cps.gov.uk/northeast/victims_and_witnesses/hate_crime/

Hate crime legislation excludes hate crime against women although I believe some police forces have started treating this sort of abuse as a hate crime, don't know how that pans out in court though.

Is this actually true? I can't find anything on the web about it.

Street harassment should also be classified as such seeing as women and girls constantly face it purely down to our sex. Sadly, this isn't even something which would even be investigated let alone seen as a hate crime.

Hate crimes can be subject to a sentencing "uplift". From the CPS: When a defendant is convicted of a hate crime, the CPS can apply for a sentencing 'uplift' which has the effect of increasing the sentence.

If sexual violence against women and girls was viewed as a hate crime (which it isn't) then this also could be.

manclife

Yes, I've read those sites. But it doesn't separate into prison and no prison. Even clicking on the downloadable report doesn't do it. As it takes me to a blank page. I might be doing it wrong though!

It seems to be very difficult statistic to get hold of.

And I can't see from your other link anything about prosecutions for misogynistic hate crimes other than:

"2) What are the number of people who have been prosecuted for misogyny hate crime against women in Nottinghamshire since it became classed as a crime by Nottinghamshire Police?"

"No information held although some crimes remain under investigation."

It also states that as a trial run misogyny as a hate crime was only considered for eight months. Stopping in December 2016.

"Approximately 85,000 women and 12,000 men are raped in England and Wales alone every year; that's roughly 11 rapes (of adults alone) every hour. These figures include assaults by penetration and attempts. "

rapecrisis.org.uk/statistics.php

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-39209529

www.nottinghamshire.police.uk/document/misogyny-hate-crime-received-nottinghamshire-police-foi-00928016

It's not on that list.

Manclife

It's difficult to find any info which breaks down the statistics of male rape into a prison and non prison context.

The only information I have found suggests that prison rapes are 10 x those outside of prison. This was for the US, but it's been suggested that the percentages are similar here, despite under reporting.

Trying to find out any actual numbers about male on male rape continually takes you to prison stats.

If you have any data, I'd be glad to have a look.

It is on the list FFS!

"Male rape only happens in prisons"
"I only happens if a woman isn't there"
Can you point out to me where anyone has said this?
As to why it should be a hate crime, I think simply out of fairness - these things are currently grounds for claims of a hate crime:
disability
race
religion
transgender identity
sexual orientation
I think in light of the things on that list, and the degree to which misogyny is motivation for violence against women in society, by men, that being female should be on that list too.

Exactly what do you hope to achieve if it got classified as a hate crime?

I agree with WhollyFather.

But if we are going to have a concept of hate crimes then it is utterly absurd that crimes of misogyny like rape don't count.

Do some posters on MN even bother to do basic research before posting their diatribe?

"Male rape only happens in prisons"
"I only happens if a woman isn't there"

Do a basic fucking google search on male rape before spouting nonsense. How can your opinion be taken seriously when you've not looked at and considered both sides of the argument first.

While you're at it google 'hate crime' too. Most forces treat a crime which happens due to someone's sex as being a hate crime. There doesn't even need to be evidence to support that thought, just a persons perception. So, if someone (imcluding the victim, their friends or family) perceives the rape to have been due the the offenders hate of women it will be recorded as such.

The whole concept of 'hate crime' is nonsensical rubbish and should be abolished. British law has never concerned itself with motive, only intention and act. That is, it didn't until PC lefties got to it (Jack Straw, IIRC) and decided to punish people not just for what they did but for what they thought as well.

Also, of course, gay men no doubt commit rape as well.

I think it should be regarded as a hate crime, culturally.

In regards to male on male rape, in situations where women are not available...

Interestingly, I read in a study on bathroom sex segregation, that women find female bathrooms a safe zone, because there are no men. But men find male bathrooms an uncomfortable place to be, essentially because without women to bond over oppressing, and focus on, their attention turns to each other.

I think in prison, when men's ability to control women is taken away, they will try to turn other, lower status men, into "women." Which is the worst way a man can be humiliated. A beating wouldn't carry the same total emasculation and breaking of being anally penetrated, like another man's 'bitch'. And the other man gets sexual pleasure from it, so it's win/win for them.

I also think a lot more people are heterosexual leaning, but bisexual to some degree - enough so that in a situation where men's preferred sex is absent, and they do not fall in status by being "gay," they will happily penetrate other men (but not be penetrated.) Especially if that penetration brings a boost in status. After all, many men will quite literally fuck anything, or any one, from rotten coconut (a recent viral story,) to middle-aged prison inmate, to 83 year-old woman.

It's all about sexual pleasure and dominance/power displays within a hieararchy, with a good dollop of sadism.

Skittlesss

Yes, I know it happens away from prisons. I'm talking more to do with the motivation.

Can you tell me more about your experience? What do you see as the motivation for male on male rape? Is it the same as male on female rape?

And, in your experience, would the motivation change in a prison environment?

Datun, where is your evidence that male on male rape is generally in prisons? Having spent a lot of time dealing with the legal side of rape cases, I can assure you that male on male rape does happen away from the prison environment and whilst it is not reported as much as a female victim, it certainly does occur a lot.

Rape is used as a war crime against women in certain parts of the world. Yes that at the very least should be considered a hate crime.

A hate crime is commited against z vulnerable protected group because of their protected characteristics. So imo rape against women (protected group, doubley so for lesbians who are correctively raped) is against a protected group and should be a hate crime. As should murder of women.