Women forced to lift up tops before entering football ground.

I've flown in to Saudi Arabia and didn't have to lift my top at the airport
I've also been searched going in to gigs, in Manchester, the women were patted down by a woman, no top lifting involved

catsareassholes why has me being male got anything to do with it? Perhaps I just like to hear ALL the evidence before I judge peopl

I didn't say anything about you being male I used a short version of your name. Looking twice I see you were going for Manc life but not being British that wasn't immediately apparent.

However for the record, men coming in to a women's space with their testicles of objectivity saying they want to hear -"all sides" because multiple accounts from different women isn't enough, isn't new, big, or clever. It is standard male behaviour. It's douchey behaviour.

Manclife, you said this yesterday:

I also champion the principal of believing victims of sexual crimes and have done since even before I became a rape crisis responder

Do you stand by that?

I'm a grimsby supporter but wasn't at this game. Much of what the supporters trust have said has been misquoted in the press. Yes, town fans were searched, males and females. Yes from what I can gather Stevenage were a little heavy handed. I think ladies being asked to flash their bras is a little different to searching males.

Unfortunately Grimsby fans as well as having the best away support in the league, are right up there as having a disruptive element. I would like to think they were trying to preempt trouble and it got out of hand.

I've been wanded at matches but never asked to lift my top. I have had to empty my pockets as the foil on my polos set the machine off.

I believe them.

If you read the mariners trust letter it sounds like a lot more things were wrong including a female steward in the mens toilets while male stewards were outside. Just why.

Stevenage's initial statement has me worried as they say "Searches conducted are recorded on CCTV and on this occasion, were in the presence of deployed police officers." If this is true, then police went along with this! WTAF

It is completely unnecessary. Other venues manage without this.

*as a son, father, brother and husband I'd be dumb not to.

@enoughisenough12 if you (and the site mods) are saying men should not be posting on the 'Feminist' side of MN then I'll gladly FO. But it would be depressing because a) the websites description says it's for parents not just mum's or women and b) I'm an avid supporter of women's rights and as a father of daughter I'd be dumb not to be.

@deleteordecay I'll have to take you word for it (no sarcasm) but I don't use social media such as Twitter and FB as it contributes little to my life. If that's what they're saying then they're idiots an I bet if they're daughter/mother was asked to lift her top they wouldn't be so quick to support it.

Actually they probably would say it's fine just to make a point.

Are they checking behind men's bits as well? you never know what could be lurking.......

Gah: not feminist enough to make a clicky link:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2165755-Behold-a-Man-Has-Arrived-to-Share-His-Manly-View

I think that this thread may be of interest to you:
\www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2165755-Behold-a-Man-Has-Arrived-to-Share-His-Manly-View

Copper beech is saying it's acceptable and I think he's a man. So your theory disproved in this thread, no?

Have this club found a revolutionary new way at terrorism detection and prevention?

Doubtful.

Surely it also created massive bottlenecks of crowd outside the barriers - potentially risky too.

@deleteordecay not sure if your saying some are male posters and I've missed it, in which case I'll take back my comment. Or if you're saying a male is pretending to be a female, in which case feel free to out them.

@enoughisenough12 the fact your saying becoming a feminist means you just 'know' things and no longer 'stop to understand' suggests to me you're not an actual feminist.

I've a Mother, Sister, Wife and Daughter and fight hand tooth and nail for equality of the sexes having heard their first hand experience of how women can be treated.

I also champion the principal of believing victims of sexual crimes and have done since even before I became a rape crisis responder but I always reserve judgment of others until I know the full facts. Innocent until proven guilty being the backbone of the legal system.

the few who have posted anything that look liks support have previously posted on other threads comments that would suggest they are female.

So you checked everyone against their previous posts? Do you have a spreadsheet to record all this or is it all committed to memory?

@AlternativeTentacle whilst none of us can be 100% sure who is behind the keyboard the few who have posted anything that look liks support have previously posted on other threads comments that would suggest they are female.

Also less of a man thing more a 'check before you post' thing. Feel free to try it some time.

Manclife,
Women get used to harassment and sexism from an early age. We are socialised into being passive and accepting and kind and understanding andthatiswhysomanywomenputupwithmuchcrapfrommenforsolong and once you become a feminist - which I did many decades ago - you begin to trust your instincts and to stop always looking to explain and understand and listen to the other side.
This is the feminism board. I happen to believe the details about what happened to women as detailed by the Grimsby Town supporters association. I know that women rarely lie about incidents of assault. I support the Mumsnet campaign 'we believe you' which aims:
"to shine a spotlight on the prevalence of rape and sexual assault in women's lives; then, to pull apart the many myths surrounding rape, which make so many women feel that they will not be believed if they report this crime."

This type of abusive behaviour and treatment of women in expecting them to show their bodies in public is on a continuum which starts with the leers / comments / jokes about women and their bodies, escalates into men feeling that they can photograph, touch and feel women's bodies without permission and ends up with incidents of sexual assault and rape.

I have had the courtesy to explain one of the basic beliefs that feminists have and why we often just know something - because it happens to women every bloody day.

Perhaps it might be helpful if you were to go off and do some reading and listening to women about feminism so that should you post on any feminist (or any special interest board for that matter) you do them the courtesy of listening to what is being said and, on occasions, accepting that women might just know what we are talking about.

Where's that ?

Hear hear. Rococopops

**This is a town local to me and they're very like this. I've noticed the difference as soon as you step into Stevenage it's like you're not a human anymore because you're a woman.

Errr, I live in Stevenage, I don't feel it's any worse than any other town or nearby "naice village" sexism ime is much further reaching. I can assure you my three sons who were all born here will be viewing woman as "human"

unless I'm mistaken the only people who have argued it may be acceptable are women.
Ooh, you are clever - must be a man thing...how exactly do you know that every person arguing against it is a woman? Or are you just assuming?