You lot are a bad influence on me.

That's good, I'm going through the change and only have one ovary, not sure how society would discuss me.

That's a good point. Of course no one would suggest that you are any less female because of it.

I think we went wrong by calling the old fashioned transsexual males who had surgeries and so on, "women" in the first place. We never should have done that. They are just men without testicles and penis. But it is universally accepted that not every man who lacks testicles and a penis is to be considered a woman - just those who want to. And thus, slowly, the "want to" became the sole reason of why we should consider people the other sex from what they actually are.

Pussy privilege!

Very, VERY good point that in animals people don't start calling them by gender neutral pronouns even if they've been sterilized. Nor do we do that to women with hysterectomies (or men who have the snip, although that is significantly less of a change).

In other news, here's a cat, checking their privilege.

MissMoney, how do you know this thing between the carrot's legs it is not a ladypeen?

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That's actually rather funny. Usually, it is done by using the English term gender for, well, gender.

You see, German only has one word for sex and gender, "Geschlecht". To show that you mean gender, you (used to) say "soziales Geschlecht", i.e. "social sex/gender", as in feminist debate it used to be universally known and agreed on that gender is socially constructed nonsense.

Leading to sentences such as this one (paraphrased): "For some people, the gender other people perceive and treat them as is not the same as their social gender."

Which of course is nonsensical - how can their social gender be different from what people treat them as?

But they apparently used the word that originated in actual feminism, and didn't do the work needed to make it fit with nonsensical genderism and identity delusions.

on whether foxes male or female, my dog has had the operation. i guess i would refer him as a das. is that right?

Actually, German grammar treats castrated males as male.

A horse of unspecified sex is "das Pferd", but a male castrated horse is "der Wallach", same as "der Hengst" (a stallion).
People used to know that operations don't change sex.

Excellent point from your friend.

French carrots are also female.

I'm amused by the thought of cats checking their privilege- given the nonchalance with which they allow us to serve them, I don't think they spend too much time worrying about punching down

Vestal No, carrots are female. As are peas. (In German, vegetables do have grammatical genders.)

Well I'm shocked that you of all people would jump on this ridiculous bandwagon and language policing, rather than stick with the biological facts that are plain to see! Carrots are clearly male. Ahem.

Intrigued! Can you explain?

Sure. I think the example Twain used to prove that German was an insane language (you should be able to find the essay via google, I think) was:

Die Rübe - Das Weib

"die" is the female article, "das" is neutral.
Rübe is a root vegetable, Weib is woman.

It is "das Weib" and "es", that would be as if you had "the woman" and "it" in English.

Nowadays, the word used in everyday life is "Frau", which originally only was used for noblewomen, and has female gender - "die Frau".

Grammatical gender in German is very weird because there's not much of a connection to sex. Most of the things that have a grammatical gender in German don't have any sex whatsoever, and some living beings that actually have a sex are neutral in grammar. (Animal species have genders, too, and if you want to talk about an individual animal whose sex doesn't match the grammatical gender of the species, you have to add more words to make it clear)

I've just asked my 3 to check- they have reported all privilege fully intact and fully operational.

Typical cis-cats - flaunting their privilege without a thought for trans-cats, non-binary cats and those somewhere on the cat/dog spectrum who don't define as either.

Cis-cats need to check their privilege

I've just asked my 3 to check- they have reported all privilege fully intact and fully operational.

No, carrots are female. As are peas. (In German, vegetables do have grammatical genders.)

I actually googled "do carrots have sex?" And then I wished I hadn't. Substituting 'gender' for 'sex' didn't help much either.

As Mark Twain famously pointed out, a root vegetable is more female than a woman. (Not true anymore, since the German word for woman isn't in use anymore, it has been replaced by the one that actually means "lady" and has female gender)

Intrigued! Can you explain?

over 30 years of serving to feline needs

Many people do default to "he" when talking of animals, everyone in this household does when we discuss the various cats which regularly visit our garden (and sometimes house) though I often correct this.

Ps I'd have thought carrots were male. They're pretty phallic.

No, carrots are female. As are peas. (In German, vegetables do have grammatical genders.)
As Mark Twain famously pointed out, a root vegetable is more female than a woman. (Not true anymore, since the German word for woman isn't in use anymore, it has been replaced by the one that actually means "lady" and has female gender)

Most foodstuffs seem to be female, hm, I wonder why.

Salad is male, as is broccoli, but carrots, tomatoes, cucumbers and peas are female.

So are bananas, I bet you are surprised.

What I found amusing about the cat article was that I tend to correct people when they do use gender neutral language around animals, referring to them as 'it'

Oh so do I. I hate animals being described as "it". I also correct my husband when he refers to our female cat as "he". She is the first female cat we've had in over 30 years of serving to feline needs and it seems to confuse him.

I read that as aromatic. I thought you meant they were a bit whiffy.

What I found amusing about the cat article was that I tend to correct people when they do use gender neutral language around animals, referring to them as 'it'.

Cats, like humans, have specific sex based health issues. That cat article is , words fail me.

ButtHoleInOne Ugh, that article!

I’m not talking about the outright bigotry and hatred –something I can’t know without being in their shoes — but the complete cluelessness.

Translation:
"I'm not talking about actual bigotry or hatred, but utter bollocks".

My cat says just because she acts dog e.g likes going for walks with us on the school run, to local shops, goes with DD to her friend's house (but I think that's to annoy friend's dog.) doesn't mean she is identifying as a dog.
Apparently her brain is a bit more dog than cat (well I think that's what she is thinking.)