TRAs, Cults and top down social conditioning.

Females! Not razores, though that would be cool

If we were adult human razors, I bet they'd be less keen to take their penises into our spaces.

If the lawsuits do come in and get publicised and if people start to backtrack when find out what they have exposed themselves to, I bet you any money women will be blamed.

"If women didn't make so many objections, if they didn't complain about their so-called rights, none of this would have happened. If women had just let trans people be, they wouldn't have to be so aggressive, they wouldn't have to fight, and threaten and go so spectacularly off the deep end. They should have just STFU."

Betcha.

I don't think they will reap benefits- not overall. And I see alot of older transsexuals aware of this/scared of this.

Thinking of older transexuals who would have been those we 'politely' let use female facilities and called she (not saying this is right). I can't think of my words this morning .... And I don't think they are scared of loosing these either, but perhaps the backlash against them, being tied into the APG groups. If 'living as a woman' was helping their genuine dysphoria then I don't think the likes of ajex Drummond & Danielle muscato being a woman would help with that.

I'm not quite sure, I know it's not the threat to them it is to us, but I don't think it's going to be a windfall for them either.

I expect the conspiracy behind it all is nothing more than plain old make supremacy. This is the 'cause' they are using to strip us of hardwon rights and when this hugely disadvantages women they will reap the benefits as allways. When the extremes of males coopting womenhood come to light and those fighting against this have greater numbers, and the law suits from detrans come in they will blame the nasty trans people and pat women on the head by restoring a fraction of the protections we had previously and expect us to be greatful for it. Which is expect many will, and say how great the male protectors are. Slight of hand. And in the middle of it all those with dysphoria will be blamed and it will put real life everyday acceptance back for them also, just the scapegoats.

Yes, we agree on that one too. I do wonder whether the gay trans-women don't make a fuss, because privately they realise that they will be able to reap the benefits, despite not being massively active in trying to get them.

Or whether they are still trying to stay under the radar in the hope that any backlash will pass them by.

Yeh, the gay men who transition don't seem to be the bullying sort. The bullies are agp men and they are bullying wome, because they can. Everyone turns a blind eye, because they always do.

One thing I have learned is that men do not have our backs, these laws largely effect women,

Completely agree. It's so depressing. I did think that when the ideology started to erase sexual orientation, men, gay or otherwise might get a bit up in arms.

But, not so much. Because, it doesn't bother them.

It's usually straight men, trying to get lesbians to sleep with them. So other men aren't nearly so much of a target, despite the fact, that technically, they should be.

Females! Not razores, though that would be cool

I keep coming back to Ockham's razor, the simpler explanation is usually the best. Women are1) adult human razores or women are 2) blah blah blah long winded explanation that veers from woo feeling in the head to borrowing an intersex persons lived history.

One thing I have learned is that men do not have our backs, these laws largely effect women, men are mostly in positions of power. Look at Justin Trudea, can't wait to give away women and girl's rights and empty their words of meaning. Fucker.

Sorry if that's rambly

Not at all. It completely mirrors my conclusions.

I think that trasitioning helps some, though a lot of the older transexuals are still unhappy in their bodies. The disphoric ones who are really keen to transition seem to be swallowed by the cult, unable to accept that they are butch girls or young women that don't have to fit a steretype. There are a few gay young men who look very feminine and pass easily, they genuinely find life easier as women, life as males is difficult for them.

The main thing I have had confirmed is that trans is a huge umbrella. The girls transitioning and the young, feminine gay men are nothing like each other. The agp men should not be anywhere near either groups.

If that could be acknowledged, define the various T's in the T that would be really helpful as the agp's would stand out. They are hiding behind the sad and the disillusioned, the genuinely disphoric.

What strikes me is that a lot of the youth seem to think they are doing something bold and anti establishment, but it's not, this is state sanctioned.

The bold anti establishment thing to do is to question it.

I am so saddened by the loss of lesbian identity, they are hounded at every turn. There are no spaces for them, they have been colonised and young lesbians trans or are "educated" to accept male lesbians.

It's a mess, picking apart the T's would really help, even if that meant more letters in the alphabet soup or ideally, separating the T from LGB. T is not a sexual orientation, quite the opposite as it is often homophobic.

Sorry if that's rambly

I follow several transsexuals, some detransitioners and some people struggling with disphoria, it is informative.

Can I ask what, if any, conclusion this has lead you to?

It is important on Twitter to follow a large selection of people with differing opinions, particularly if they are willing to discus and engage. I think you have to make a conscious effort not to end up in an echo chamber. If you select people who are willing to engage then you learn something about their opinions and it helps form your own arguments.

I follow several transsexuals, some detransitioners and some people struggling with disphoria, it is informative.

I found it interesting that the movement uses similar techniques to successful cults.

I follow and have civil discussions with some lovely ladies from the states, they are all for forced birth which I disagree with. On this issue we are united, one issue can make strange bedfellows.

Rad fems tend to be left thinking but not on this issue as they see through it.

I doubt @RadFemCrone would dox anyone. She doesn't mince about though and won't pussyfoot around the issue.

I have seen quite a few of the people I follow falling out with each other recently. @GabeBlessing is usually on the same page but has been arguing for the lady brain / innate behaviour recently which is not a feminist opinion.

Looks likes it's got some good points but a bit too heavy on the illuminati for me

But the same question keeps going unanswered. How have they managed to gain such traction over something so patently nonsensical?

I'm a bit wary of Jenn. I'm sure he said he studied propaganda at uni and comes across to me as doing too much 'vaguebooking', it's all a big conspiracy and I know more than you about what's really going on.

He is claiming that he has been doxxed, perhaps by @RadFemCrone, who he called a bitch, and the usage of this word has not gone down well. Apparently, he is married and only dons a woman persona for his twitter world, but is male (with no mention of Jenn) on his facebook account.

Who knows? I've got his essay open on another tab, but two days later I still haven't got the will to finish it. Looks likes it's got some good points but a bit too heavy on the illuminati for me.

Very odd. Maybe he's one of those who disagree with the extreme stuff like lady penis, which the public won't buy. But still thinks loos are fair game?

I can't remember now whether the article mentioned loos.

The furthest back I can see is gc radfems accusing him of mysogynistic slurs and using female facilities, but I can't see where that comes from. Which is why I thought it was relevant to mention here.

That;s the jist I got Gone, don't know what happened to make it all kick off.

I think I have worded that wrongly.

From what I can see they are saying he is attacking them, he is saying they are attacking him, and doxxing him, they deny that, and I can't find the original threads that started it all.

Just thought I should clarify.

Gender critical is a broad church, people agree on some issues but disagree massively on others.

GC feminists attacking Jenn yes and no I can't link anything on my phone.

I can't find whatever conversations that started it all. But they are claiming one thing and he is claiming they are doxxing him and they deny and so on.

I like the article but other things maybe problematic it just doesn't seem clear from what I can see posted.

No, it's gender critical feminists most of whom I follow. Not sure what the start of it was though.