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TRAs, Cults and top down social conditioning.

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TinyRick · 16/08/2017 17:09

Interesting essay written by MtT Jenn Smith.

Excerpt -
"Anybody suggesting transgender persons born male are not in fact “real women” and even “female,” are called transphobic (including lesbians). That such an attack would come from within a community whose entire existence was based upon fighting for the right to sexual orientation is not only bizarre, it almost seems like a deliberate attempt to fracture the community from within.

As mentioned earlier, it would be easy to laugh this stuff off if it were not for the fact that government, Hollywood, mainstream media, and almost every institution of power is promoting this insanity. This fact should be a red flag for everybody. Why, when trans persons comprise such a tiny minority, is there such a sudden and urgent rush across most of the Western world to push the trans agenda?"

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JennSmith · 22/08/2017 16:33

Well reading the comments it appears not everybody in the "choir" is singing the same tune, lol. It was, I believe, a combination of fake feminists and maybe a couple real ones (useful idiots) that doxxed me. For strategic reasons it had to be "feminists", I will let you figure out why. I say "fake" feminists, because when I asked them whether or not they worked for or had contracts with any advocacy group or government agency they refused to answer, first avoiding, then disappearing. Typical. It is SOP, a variation of what the intelligence community calls "the Glomar response". If they were free agents they would deny instead of tap dancing around the question like they did before disappearing. In case you have not been paying attention this agenda is being pushed hard by governments, thus their media assets have been mobilized. I see some have been on the web spreading outright lies about me. So yes, attack the messenger, defame, discredit. Unlike my critics I am always open to questions though and will give honest answers. Smile

Datun · 22/08/2017 07:40

JennSmith

You're preaching somewhat to the choir here. On the feminist board, mostly at least. Perhaps not the whole of mumsnet.

Could I ask you a question? Was it feminists, (radical feminists) who doxxed you?

JennSmith · 22/08/2017 02:07

What I bring to this debate is a lack of fear. I am not afraid to say what I think. I am not afraid to speculate because we MUST speculate because THEY are not going to tell us why this is so important to them. I am also not afraid of threats and will go ahead no matter what they do to me or say about me. They will shut me up when I am in the ground. This issue is far more important than anybody realizes, as it gives to the state the power to redefine reality itself. To fundamentally alter and order a given interpretation of reality that contradicts what we have always understood. It tells us we must accept that men are women and visa versa. In Canada that is under the threat of law. Well Trudeau will have to send me to jail before he gets me to admit men are women. My next essay will explore the terror that is coming in the form of a new generation of trans. Everybody better get real worried real vocal real soon or it will be too late.

JennSmith · 22/08/2017 01:46

And furthermore, you should all be aware that Twitter is full of fakes. Some professional, some amateur. When you try to corner the professionals by asking questions they are not allowed to answer because they are not free agents, they avoid then disappear. I would suggest people ignore all the BS spread about me in the wake of this essay's release, and instead focus on my message. There will be, I can assure you, much more to come, and with it will be more attacks on me. For those that released information identifying family members, I consider this a vicious form of terrorism against a non-combatant in this issue.
As for comments on "Orwellian", please note, it is not Orwellian because of any hyperbole I have engaged in, it is Orwellian in fact.

JennSmith · 22/08/2017 01:40

If people want to know about me or what happened with my doxxing and the extreme harassment that did not happen until AFTER my essay was released. They can ask me directly. The only thing I have been guilty of is attempting to shield my family and friends from being dragged into this viper's nest. The oldest trick in the book is attack the messenger not the message.

TRAs, Cults and top down social conditioning.
EBearhug · 19/08/2017 22:52

(I'm going to look daft if this wasn't what VestalVirgin was referring to.)

EBearhug · 19/08/2017 22:51

If you look under Themen, there's a section on Biologismus.

EBearhug · 19/08/2017 22:47

www.emma.de/

BrandNewHouse · 19/08/2017 17:50

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VestalVirgin · 19/08/2017 12:34

Do people really feel so connected to their bodies that they are certain they are male or female? It just seems so odd.

I have a theory that yes, most people do feel so connected to their bodies that they feel they could never exist in any other kind of body.
Those who don't either swallow the Kool-aid and identify as nonbinary, or they oppose transwacktivism.

Which direction it goes seems to be influenced by how much sexism one was exposed to. And perhaps access to feminism.

It's terrifying to realise people I thought had progressive views based on facts and evidence are in fact driven by ideology, as much as the right-wing people they despise.

Indeed. But always good to know whom you can really trust. Nonsense ideology separates the wheat from the chaff.

Pleased to report that Germany's best known feminist magazine did talk about the Cologne assaults, and is now slowly starting to notice that all butch lesbians transing to male is a rather strange development and perhaps not exactly something feminism should applaud.

MissMoneyPlant · 19/08/2017 11:55

It's very strange, the "internal essence" concept. Do people really feel so connected to their bodies that they are certain they are male or female? It just seems so odd. Or are people just so lacking in thought or self-reflection that they are unable to comprehend that the brain's body map is not the same thing as an internal gender essence?

Obviously I'm talking about the kool-aid drinkers, not the trans activists with their bellend agenda. It certainly seems that the trans cult followers come at it wanting to believe. You see the same mindset in other things. Eg. the assaults in Cologne last year - left-wing men desperate to downplay it, looking for evidence it's not true, questioning everything. Whereas other news stories they'd accept wihout question. They want it to be all nice and simple. Ideology first, make the "facts" fit later. It's terrifying to realise people I thought had progressive views based on facts and evidence are in fact driven by ideology, as much as the right-wing people they despise.

Datun · 18/08/2017 23:53

The Kool-Aid swallowers, on a very basic level, must really think that there is an innate essence inside everyone that determines their sense of sex.

In fact, many people think this. It's only when you actually interact with transactivists that you realise what misogynistic men they are. If they have any kind of internal essence at all, it identifies as bellend.

Ereshkigal · 18/08/2017 20:06

Yes I think you're right.

TinyRick · 18/08/2017 20:01

It's a lot easier to be a 'better woman
' than a 'better (insert race here)' it would seem.

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MissMoneyPlant · 18/08/2017 19:56

Ereshkigal it's like they have a blind spot where trans issues are concerned.

I suppose it relates to the blind spot when women's oppression is concerned. Hmm If transracial had caught on instead of transgender, they'd be outraged.

Ereshkigal · 18/08/2017 19:36

Onto earth not into earth!

Ereshkigal · 18/08/2017 19:36

Amongst lefties at least, "Orwellian" pops up fairly frequently, but apply it to the most obvious thing actually happening - the trans agenda - and the same people will seem blind to it.

And yes to this too. I've had arguments with self proclaimed Marxists about it. But it's so obvious an example! They can disagree fine, but it's like they have a blind spot where trans issues are concerned. It's like they were beamed down into earth in the last few years and have missed the historical context where women are not men and biological sex is a thing. It's bizarre.

Ereshkigal · 18/08/2017 19:32

Thinking "hmm - this doesn't add up, all is not as it seems" is a far cry from the type of theorist who thinks it's a conspiracy dreamt up by Putin and the Abominable Snowman whilst playing golf in area 51 - but both types are lumped together.

YY. I find it infuriating. It's usually people who have swallowed an enormous amount of nonsense that come out with that too.

MissMoneyPlant · 18/08/2017 19:16

Anyway... ignoring the suspected derail...

BrandNewHouse The thing (one of the things) is that people who use the word Orwellian are written off as being nutty.

I think it's worse than that. Amongst lefties at least, "Orwellian" pops up fairly frequently, but apply it to the most obvious thing actually happening - the trans agenda - and the same people will seem blind to it. In my circle of aquaintance (anecdata I know!) those who seemed the most critical thinking, and who seemed to join the most dots in general, are the most rabid about it all. It's all so... counter-intuitive. It's definitely ideology first, make the facts fit later, rather than the other way around.

Also, as a general thing, I think "conspiracy theory" is a way to disparage the truth. (Arghh what do I sound like?! Shock Grin) Obviously there's tons of bollocks, probably the majority. But there is stuff that comes out years after the fact... and we know the media manipulate people, and so on... Thinking "hmm - this doesn't add up, all is not as it seems" is a far cry from the type of theorist who thinks it's a conspiracy dreamt up by Putin and the Abominable Snowman whilst playing golf in area 51 - but both types are lumped together.

Thelilywhite · 18/08/2017 19:08

That article is excellent and very scary. Ive not heard of them before but would like to read anything else they have written.

MissMoneyPlant · 18/08/2017 18:52

Dina I don't care if I'm called transphobic. I would care if anything was actually done to harm me because some people think their belief system justifies it.

Transphobic has become a meaningless word. It now means disagreeing with a trans person.

Dina1234 · 18/08/2017 17:50

I don't see anything wrong with it. If you question the validity of transsexuals then you shouldn't care if people call you transphobic.

DamnDeDoubtanceIsSpartacus · 18/08/2017 17:07

It's a great article and thoroughly researched. I think the spat is because Jen has been acting erratically, accusing people of doxing her etc and over reacting to perceived slights where none were intended.

Maybe they have experienced problems and that has made them paranoid, they have lashed out at the wrong people. That is my understanding of it, doesn't invalidate a good article, the two events are separate.

If anything it shows the genuine fear that people have when they speak against accepted dogma.

Datun · 18/08/2017 17:06

Gonegonegone

It wouldn't at all surprise me. They are highly efficient, highly organised.

Gonegonegone · 18/08/2017 17:01

How does anyone know if the people Jenn is accusing of attacking him are who they say they are?

Not that I want to continue the conspiracy theory theme but if a mtt goes after trans ideology isn't it likely that the trans community would like to find a way to discredit him? Wouldn't pretending to be a rad fem and accusing him be an easy way to do so and break supportive links.

I find it strange I can't find the threads that show what either side is claiming.