Women's urinals?!

Peeing in front of strangers is something that men do all the time - so that's just a matter of getting used to it

I agree that just because they have urinals it doesn't necessarily mean they are not uncomfortable with it.

I'm not sure men do want to pee in front of each other, in general, since they go on about avoiding standing next to other men so much.
Maybe one day someone will revolutionalise women's toilets, but this doesn't seem to be it.

Men only have to unzip and don't need to undress. A woman would have to undress completely below the waste to use a urinal. It's a stupid idea.

Peeing in front of strangers is something that men do all the time - so that's just a matter of getting used to it, women have had privacy for so long that this is a novel idea. Go back far enough and even sit-down toilets were communal!

I've long been fascinated by whether women can use urinals (pre Shewee). Apparently you can train yourself to lift the vulva with a v-shaped finger spread to direct the stream more forwards; and also train yourself to pee more forcefully, with a distinct start and stop, so that drips don't occur. It all involves practice in the shower. Can be very useful when wild camping or hiking, apparently.

Who the hell wants to pee in front of strangers?

Men. The same men who design toilets for women.

Or at the very least a door for privacy. Who the hell wants to pee in front of strangers?

Tell you what, after having my DC, l loved the fact I still had a catheter in and did not have to cart myself off to the loo. I have nightmares about bad public toilets. Included are dirty ones, weird fancy communal ones with toilets arranged in a group like armchairs and ones which don't flush properly. Says something about awful public toilets really.

All toilets should have floor to ceiling proper locking doors, be clean and have plentiful loo roll. Nice sinks, free sanitary protection, mirrors and seats in a vestibule/waiting area for people to wait around and chat. Bliss.

Butt, I think that poster meant what I meant, they're not for women?

If there was a prize for the most useless invention ever - this would win it hands down.

To be honest I doubt that they are intended forthe people that frequent this board no offence

I'm not offended. More confused about the genitals of non feminists.

I never put my bum on public loo seats, I always hover but that is because they are generally filthy not because I want to have to hold an uncomfortable position to wee. I can only think these female urinals are not designed with biological women in mind at all as they don't seem practical at all given the need to either remove vast swathes of your clothing, pissing all down your legs or risking skirts trailing in strangers urine. If you are a 'woman' with a penis though I guess they are great

if there's a cubicle there's no need for a urinal.

it's for people with penises basically.

If they want to invent squat toilets. It should be in a closed cubicle. The bowl needs to be wide, but not too wide so you can't straddle it. And you should have a bar in front of you to hold onto, in order to distribute your weight correctly so that you can squat sufficiently, without the lactic acid coursing through your thighs.

The cubicles need to be big enough to admit several children. There should be a hook on the door to hang bags. And the sanitary bin needs be at least a foot away from the bowl.

Datun But a facility has to recreate that angle, otherwise it goes everywhere.

Yes, exactly. I'd not be too bothered if they introduced squat toilets. Where the toilet is filthy, I prefer it as don't need to touch seat or attempt to hover. But the half-way hovering thing is the hardest position to pee in!

The really stupid thing is, we already have a design of toilet (two if you include squat toilet) that is suitable for men and women. But urinals/pissing without a seat is the male thing, in other words the "default" (), so of course they need to try to design a loo suitable for us women to piss properly.

[I know someone who was involved in designing toilets/bathroom stuff, and years ago they mentioned the idea of female urinals/some designs... to an overhwhelming chorus of "wtf?" type responses from all the women present, followed by us having to explain all the reasons it was ridiculous. They shelved the idea at the time...]

Datun
the toilet bowl needs to stick out much farther from the wall

and then hey, we're back at the design we have already....hmmm!

This is the beginning of 'operation toilet' isn't it? The start to merging men and women toilets, due to the transsexual revolution and the encroachment on women only spaces.

I actually do carry a whiz-freedom device similar to the she-wee but in my opinion much better due to a few technological differences. So standing up to wee is not a problem, however I do not want to share public toilets with men unless each public toilet is a stand alone cubical. Mens toilets are generally pretty grotty at best.

Well exactly. Squatting, to me has to create an angle, similar to one you use on a loo.

If you're doing it, in the wild, so to speak, you have to hunker right down in order to recreate that without the benefit of a seat.

But a facility has to recreate that angle, otherwise it goes everywhere.

I think. I'm trying to imagine it. You'd have to have to have your feet very wide apart in order to minimise, er, trickle.

that design doesn't look like it was intended for squatting.

(another sentence I never expected to type).

I notice from that article that Stonewall are fine with gender neutral provided but expect gender specific loos with people free to self identify which one they want to be in. The whole point of this is the right of men to get in women's loos with women if they damn well want to.

Would not use those things. Increasingly this will just mean many women give up being allowed to pee anywhere but at home.

Maybe we need a campaign of women using shewees outside, that might get the town councils thinking again.

Afuna you're not the only one! I have a bowel disease which doesn't cause me any huge problems, but would be extremely embarrassing if I had to use the toilet in public.
I guess I'll just have to join every other woman in the queue for the 2 or 3 cubicles that are left!

Also I don't know about anyone else and TMI but since childbirth I sometimes unexpectedly poo when I think I just need to pee. How would that work with one of those horrid things?!

Actually, hovering (which is what these "urinals" force you to do), as opposed to squatting fully, sitting, or standing legs apart, is a denial of female biology. Because you have to clench your muscles to maintain the position it becomes nigh on impossible to empty your bladder completely and thus leaves you at risk of bladder infections. (Same reason a decent physio will tell you that having used the "stop the flow" trick once to work out which muscles you're aiming to work, you should then make a point of not doing pelvic floor exercises while taking a piss).

When ever I've tried squatting to pee I've pissed all over myself. We do not have a way to aim like men do so of course it is denying our biology.

Didn't they invent a loo a while ago that had automated loos seats? When you'd used the loo, the seat would slot into the wall, for cleaning, and the second one would come out for the next person.

A version where the seat is rotated and (I assume) disinfected if you activate a mechanism by waving your hand in front of it, has been commonplace for years in Germany.

Mostly at very expensive motorway restrooms, but they do exist.

I admit I still don't sit on them. Hovering is ingrained in me when it comes to public toilets.

And I think the desire for toilets you can sit on might be a cultural thing. Perhaps people who grew up with squat toilets prefer those?

vestal of course it denies women's biology - we don't have penises we can point and piss?

It seems they are designed for squatting over, though? That is totally combinable with female biology. You may not find it comfortable, but it doesn't deny biology.