Can we talk about this lip filler fashion

*Yes, larger lips are supposed to represent engorged labia, hence wearing lip colours that make your lips appear larger

This gets said often. It sounds complete tosh.Lips with lipstick look nothing like labia.*

I have noticed recently though, that the filled lips + duck face selfie = something looking very much like an anus.

I dunno. My dd's aren't teens and for all the reasons why people do this given here, it breaks my heart that they might grow up to think their beautiful, natural bodies aren't good enough and they need to modify themselves, be it waxing, fillers, surgery, fake tan, hair extensions, whatever.

I'd say ^as with my blow up dolls on my pp that while men may or may not be specifically thinking 'engorged labia' they're definitely thinking 'place I can put my penis'

"Dsl" or dick sucking lips was a common term when I was in school

Scarlett Johansson? I think she was the prime example back in my school days.

Discussing patterns and trends and their relationship with/to feminism?
Yawn - I'm out

And on the feminism board no less - what will these nutters think of next?

Won't somebody please think of the people who aren't interested in feminism and can't be bothered to check what board they're posting on before they start a feminist analysis on FWR? The Humanity!

So do you want action against fillers and other cosmetic enhancements?

Does it really require an in depth analysis

Feminism does. With no analysis, you have no statistics. With no stats, you have no conclusion. With no conclusion you can't take any action.

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The roots of this is making money! And we are the consumers who (not me particularly) want a particular thing to make us look good which in turn makes us feel better!

Does it really require an in depth analysis? Or if it does just because this is a forum and you can analyse everything and anything then at least be fair when stating your argument and not litter it with outrageous assumptions

Now I'm definition out

a hint of labia lips.

Mac has obviously missed a trick in their lipstick naming department. I shall be writing to them.

So if someone discuss a subject can they not be deemed jealous?

If it was let's discuss lip fillers.......fair enough but the post wasn't as straightforward as that. It appeared scathing!

Discussing patterns and trends and their relationship with/to feminism?

Yawn - I'm out

I'm surprised at the number of people taking umbridge simply at the discussion of the roots or symbolism of this.

Are they jealous?

Also Kylie Jenner, has been pulled up for cultural appropriation for braids/lips/bum even her fashion and the fact she done a photoshoot that pretty much skimmed 'black face'.

Black women's lips and backsides do tend to be quite lovely. I'm a straight white female but when I see a big shapely bottom I do get a bit of bum envy (not you Kim K).

One of my first boyfriends had huge shapely lips. They are gorgeous.

My daughter's hairdresser has her lips filled. They are huge but they go with her face and aren't at all trouty. I get mesmerised by them when she speaks.

Each to their own.

I think that the accusation of cultural appropriation has been made towards Kim Kardashian in the past, I'm sure I've read. The Grace Jones photo redo being one of them I think.

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With the red lips, there is a lot of black people who will never be caught dead wearing red lipstick because of the connotation it has within the black community (black Americans). The darker you are the more taboo it is to wear red lipstick because of colourism.

Could you explain that more? I've tried googling it, but all I am getting is make up tips!

So what would be a feminist choice in how to look?

Presumably if I'm wearing more natural looking, pink lipstick then I'm still going for a hint of labia lips.

It's always amazes me as one thing that is used to diminish on race groups beauty is now used to enhance anther dictating more powerful race as sign of youth.
Black people where mocked for having big lips and bums. A lot of them are still mocked these days and yet it has become a thing now of beauty and a trend.

With the red lips, there is a lot of black people who will never be caught dead wearing red lipstick because of the connotation it has within the black community (black Americans). The darker you are the more taboo it is to wear red lipstick because of colourism.

I'm sure the Kardashians are responsible for the bum filler trend!

I'll get abuse hurled at me for this but I have a lot of black friends and they believe that lip fillers, bum implants etc are more to emulate black womens beauty more than anything else. I'm not too sure where I stand on that but it might be more so white females in particular find black females more attractive than themselves. I think there is more chance of this being possible than to look like porn stars.

Making choices that aren't necessarily feminist in nature doesn't negate your feminism.

Analysing the social structures in which those choices are made is not judgement.

Asking if someone is jealous of your cosmetic surgery because they've dared to want to discuss cosmetic surgery within a feminist framework makes you look a little defensive and weird.

I'd say ^as with my blow up dolls on my pp that while men may or may not be specifically thinking 'engorged labia' they're definitely thinking 'place I can put my penis'

"Dsl" or dick sucking lips was a common term when I was in school

It's a very interesting one. We are in a position where we want to attract a mate. Making yourself more appealing to the opposite sex is all part of it

Or even the same sex

Yes, larger lips are supposed to represent engorged labia, hence wearing lip colours that make your lips appear larger

This gets said often. It sounds complete tosh.Lips with lipstick look nothing like labia.

You can be a feminist and make unfeminist choices.

I suspect most of us do. It's the best way to get on in patriarchal societies.

But we should surely at least ask ourselves the question? Own it when it's happening.

If we're not willing to ask ourselves any questions then we might as well not have brains.

^How patronising!

Are you jealous?

Why would anyone be jealous of a cosmetic procedure??

you'd just get it done wouldn't you? They weren't born that way, that's the point of the thread.

I'm sure it's totally unrelated to porn despite basically all women in the sex industry and glamour models having it done.

Datun "Exactly. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. I shave my legs and wear make up. I'm a feminist, the choice isn't."

I thought you are a man? Or am I making an assumption about whether men wear make up and shave?

However, that makes it sound like it's anti-feminist?