Can we talk about this lip filler fashion

It is so bothering because it appears on every thread where lipstick is mentioned and it never gets questioned. It doesn't sound to me that it could easily be true. It sounds rather like another way of criticising women for caring about their appearance.

I have often seen on here evobiology / evopsychology theories which support misogynistic male views being dismissed as nonsense yet this one gets a free pass.

I'm not sure why the concept of lips being reminiscent of genitalia is so bothering.

It sounds, to me, like it could easily be true. I'm not sure how easy it is to prove, either way.

But it doesn't bother me, even if it is true.

Yep, had a look at my labia (no I haven't really), and noticed they look nothing like my mouth. I don't think they sell that colour down at Boots. Next time I'm post orgasmic I'll take a look to see if they've gone as red as a postbox.
They, it? Plural or singular?

I dye my hair because I am going grey and I don't like it. I can still join in a debate about whether that's a feminist choice, what it says about how society sees older women etc without seeing my arse that I'm being criticized or called a bad feminist

I dye my hair because it started going grey in my early 30s and it made me look much older than I was. Most people once they have got past the stage they can get into a pub without ID don't like being taken for older than they are. Men do get prematurely grey but it seems to affect men far less than women. I don't care to analyse it beyond that. I don't care whether it is a feminist choice. I'm sure that makes me an empty headed handmaiden or an equally empty headed liberal feminist.

I do however care that ridiculous theories about red lipstick looking like sexually engorged female baboons' bottoms, which were peddled by the likes of Freud or Desmond Morris , being given credence as to why women wear lipstick.

Don't you tend to get redder, more swollen lips and a slight blush after a particularly good session too? Surely that is part of the attraction?

It's really tiresome to be scolded for criticizing other women's choices when the bloody first line of the OP is I'm just wondering if there is some feminist analysis for the current fashion for lip fillers. I don't want to slate the women who are doing it, just understand what the hell its all about

I really don't understand why it's hard to grasp the difference between "Why do we, as women do this thing? And is it good or bad for women generally?" and "this is a bad thing to do, and women who do it are bad people".

Aren't you interested in what shapes people's behaviour? Don't you wonder what makes us do potentially harmful things in the pursuit of "beauty"?

I dye my hair because I am going grey and I don't like it. I can still join in a debate about whether that's a feminist choice, what it says about how society sees older women etc without seeing my arse that I'm being criticized or called a bad feminist.

But then I'm happy to be one of these dreadful overthinkers

And how frequently does one, male or female, see a baboon's arse? I think I may have reached the age of 58 without ever seeing one.

So unless you are suggesting the correlation is down to some sort of atavistic, evolutionary biology thing that seems to make it even more nonsensensical.

Those sceptical about the simplistic mouth/vulva correspondence (Freud was to blame!) - go look at sexual swellings in female apes. Fillers and red lipstick are in effect making your face resemble a baboon's arse, and presumably tweaking the same very old that is a sign of sexual arousal or receptivity. Makes being compared to a trout seem almost a compliment..............

If a woman wants to use lip fillers, good for her, it's her choice

Ever heard the saying "nothing happens in a vacuum"?

You may think it's free choice. It isn't. The discussion here isn't slagging off "other womens choices", it's wondering what the social and environmental circumastances are and why they lead to these choices, and whether they are positive or negative influence..

NotTheDuchessOfCambridge

Blind acceptance of other people's choices are certainly not what feminism is about. The choice any woman makes is not, purely by definition, just a feminist choice.

Looks-orientated analysis, is definitely a feminist issue. But it's kind of the arse end. Because it's just the result of a whole heap of other things.

Women being disadvantaged and things like lip fillers are definitely connected. So you can't really take lip fillers as a standalone issue.

That's interesting Lass. Because that would still indicate to me that it was for men. To get the best mate, I mean. To look better than the next woman

There might be an element of that but I don't think it is the whole story. I think for some women the idea they look better than other women is enough in itself.

I thought feminism was about women sticking together, empowering each other, not making offensive posts on the life choices of other women. If a woman wants to use lip fillers, good for her, it's her choice.
Disgusting views on here from "so called" feminists.

I've also seen recently that the fashion for drawing outside your lipline and filling in is coming back.

I think it's just like lining your lips to make them look fuller, but on a bigger scale. I think it looks more youthful than thinner lips but it's easy to go too far with it and start looking like a fish. Each to their own.

Much of it seems to me to be with a view of getting one over other women.

That's interesting Lass. Because that would still indicate to me that it was for men. To get the best mate, I mean. To look better than the next woman.

And why don't we wear green lipstick or blue lipstick? I know sometimes people do, but it's not common.

Full lips - I think it's obvious, they make you look younger.

Red ones? I suppose it's an enhancement of the natural pigmentation. But why does that feel/look attractive?

There's no way that the average causcasian woman can emulate her mouth without cosmetic assistance

Well that's not true, my mother my sisters and I all have very full lips, we've never had lip fillers. Also all Caucasian

There's no way that the average causcasian woman can emulate her mouth without cosmetic assistance

Well I've managed it, and I have naturally large breast too. You can't just assume that any white women with large lips has had fillers. I'm in my 40's now but from about the age of 12-30 everyday as I went about my business was like running a gauntlet. I've had men make comments, try to touch me actually touch me and generally scare the living daylights out of me. The wearing of baggy, unattractive clothes didn't deter them but I got used to the idea that most men in the public domain were creepy bastards.

The thing that hurt the most was how some women treated me, it was almost if I had large boobs and an attractive face on purpose just to spite them and I deserved to be treated like a porn star.

You know not everything is related to porn surprisingly body alterations have existed before porn. I know porn is the great go to whenever people do things that the regulars here don't like but throughout human history people have altered their bodies depending on what is popular at the time.

I don't think the lip filler trend looks youthful. Kylie is what, 18? And looks to be in her 30s. The styles are sexualized but if you wanna talk youthful infantalized and creepily childish look at the Korean styles.

I think the combination of full lips = youth and the cheapness and ready availability of lip and facial fillers is behind a lot of it. Although I do feel like the 'bar' for acceptable beauty standards is getting higher and higher and this is playing a role too.

I do find it worrying that so many people are willing to get unknown substances injected into themselves by unqualified people.

I'm not sure the thing about lipstick is quite that. I think it's more humans are hardwired to see certain things as attractive and red lips are one of those things

That makes sense but that is not comparing them to engorged labia. Very pale lips would indicate anaemia or poor health.

My labia do not look like my lips. I have never seen sexually engorged labia and I've never had sex with a woman and I don't watch porn. If lipstick is meant to represent engorged labia then why on earth would I think lipstick makes me look better? I have no frame of reference for that.

Fucking phone. Blood engorged flesh colours

As does the automatic assumption that everything done to enhance appearance is for the benefit of men.
I'm not sure the thing about lipstick is quite that. I think it's more humans are hardwired to see certain things as attractive and red lips are one of those things.
Baby herring gulls peck red dots on their mums beak to get food, the bigger the dot the more they peck. They will peck red dots on paper (I think) They are hardwired to peck at a dot.

It makes sense to me because the attractive colours are blood enforced flash colours, if there wasn't something primal there I'd expect to see widespread fashions for other bright colours such as blue or green (like happens with nail colours). But that's not the case.

proper curvy bum = genuine curvy bum. Ie not one created by surgeons

like Rhianna who have naturally full lips and a proper curvy bum

What is a "proper" curvy bum? That sounds very like laying down what is an acceptable body shape. At her age I most certainly did not have a "proper curvy bum"