Can we talk about this lip filler fashion

Cor.

Impressive zombie revival here.

I'd love to see whether FWR can keep the thread going for longer than the fashion trend itself. (Mind you, I usually notice fashion trends only when they've reached their final throes anyway.)

I imagine that to some degree the lip filler thing started as a response to ageing. I have always had full lips but at 41, I think they are smaller now and I know that their fullness comes with a fast approaching expiry date as lips thin with age. And the thing is, I don't want to age. And we can say that that's because of a societal disregard for older women, and yes part of that's true. But I also don't want to get old and die, I want to have the health and fitness of a 26 year old forever. When I look in the mirror and see a woman who could be mistaken for late 20s/early 30s I feel relief. And yes, in part because society sees that younger looking woman as more attractive. But to a greater degree because I'm hoping that my more youthful appearance is a sign that I will stay very fit and healthy well into my late 80s, like my still dancing 89 year old grandmother.

I'm not going to get lip fillers because 1. they look like total shite, but 2. because even if they did look good and make me appear more youthful, they wouldn't be any sort of natural indicator of my actual youthfulness. But I can see how some people are attracted to the illusion.

"Are you jealous" (of women with lip fillers) may be the funniest thing I've ever read on here. Why? If we wanted them we'd get them.

Agreed with Dansk btw - I can't stand contouring. Up close it just makes the person look like they need to wash their face, and I've seen a couple of celebrity TV interview where I was going "you realize it looks like a child smudged stripes down either side of your nose, right?"

My sister has lip fillers and she’s a lesbian so the men thing- not necessarily likely.
I think it’s because the beauty industry homogenises attractiveness so that only one face is deemed acceptable- that Instagram alien face with the creepy contouring and massive eyebrows and lips.
It’s just a trend that’s driven by advertising.
But yes, it’s pretty sad.

The Snapper even! Freudian slip there.

The main 'dreamy' character says 'There's a girl passed out in my bedroom that I could violate in 10 different way's if I wanted to.' Then he does a deal with the younger guy to swap Molly's knickers for his passed out girlfriend. The younger guy is a bit hesitant (even though he was shown being a creep earlier) but the hero gives him the keys to his dad's car and tells the wasted girl that the younger guy is actually him, to ensure she'd be down for whatever.

Some of the problematic stuff you can put down to the 80's being a different time. This scene is worse than Georgie Burgess in the Slapper.

16 Candles shocked the hell out of me when I re-watched it! There was one particular scene where a girl was passed out drunk and a guy was told to have fun with her, or something along those lines.

I've just watched Sixteen Candles yesterday. I'm pretty sure plenty of people would have mimicked Molly Ringwald's lips in the 80s if it was as accessible as it is now.

Also, that film is VERY problematic. It was my first time watching it and I was agog.

Yes, and fuller lips are a sign of youth and fertility. It's not because they look like labia. That is such bollocks.
Think I might have to stop waxing my tache though.

Fuller lips are generally considered more attractive. I think it's as simple as that. People generally always want to appear more attractive. Things like lip fillers become more easily and widely available, they become more common and it snowballs and becomes a fashion.

I think there's a question not just of making yourself attractive or young or whatever, but also fitting in either your group. So fashions that look stupid to a group and be an identifier to the in group. Big, enhanced lips might be such. In my age group and income level, most women have dyed hair and botox. I do, too. Its part of a social signifier - it tells my friends, colleagues and people in the places where I go that I'm in this stream. Lots of people don't care for that look, but sometimes it's not about an objective judgement about good or not good.

Weight, lips, eyebrows, smoking, nail art, tattoos, there are so many choices that can have meanings to the people who choose them.

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Really interesting links re red lipstick on black women. I didn't know this either.

Now can someone explain the reasoning behind the fashion for having two huge black hairy things stencilled above one's eyes?

been going on for decades

"Over thinking" is used in that way but it is also used as a card to stop any consideration of whether there is over thinking.

It is impossible to respond to "at least I'm not underthinking" because in not getting the point you must be " underthinking" and it then is treated as a validation of the accuser's position.

I think it's the other way round, Lass - "over thinking" is the classic putdown for feminism. It's pulled out as the trump card for why feminism has eaten itself. A poster will post about something like some outrageously sexist advertisement showing Mum getting her whites sparkling white, and someone will roll into the thread and go "Jesus, who cares? no wonder no one wants to be called a feminist, you're completely over thinking this. What about women in Saudi, eh?".

You do seem hell bent on wringing every possible negative connotation out of my posts

I replied to one of your posts. You commented on my reply and I responded. How is that any more "hell bent on etc etc " than what you are doing?

The overthinking/ underthinking is a useful little put down on here.

Not referring to this thread in particular but it is always pulled out as the trump card no matter how outrageous or convoluted the argument is " well at least I'm not underthinking" .

I'm one of the underthinkers

I don't think that's true at all. You do seem hell bent on wringing every possible negative connotation out of my posts, but I'm not sure that I'd describe that as underthinking.

Anyone else here have lips that don't look like a baboons arse? No? Just me?

What a load of rubbish!

I know quite a few women who have this done.

They are often in the cosmetics industry and say they do it to make their lipstick look better. Admittedly some look nice but some have gone OTT and it looks a little strange.

I think full lips are the new eyebrows?

Why do that, Lass? Why twist what I said like that? I didn't say what the outcome of the conversation ought to be, or that everyone ought to be interested in having it

No but you felt the need to add you were happy to be one of the overthinkers. I'm one of the underthinkers.

And FWIW, I'm not that sold on the baboon's arse theory either.

I always assumed that lipstick was to make us think about orgasmic flushing.

I'm not dying on the hill of baboon's arses

I'm sure that makes me an empty headed handmaiden or an equally empty headed liberal feminist.

Why do that, Lass? Why twist what I said like that? I didn't say what the outcome of the conversation ought to be, or that everyone ought to be interested in having it. All I said was that it was possible to have the conversation about what dyeing hair means without getting arsey. Which includes second guessing what you think people might say in the course of it.

Because larger redder lips will generally indicate good health? Sorry but referring to baboons' arses sounds like complete evo psych nonsense , except it's a theory which conveniently hands a stick to those who wish to criticise other women as man pleasers.

As regards 'caring about their appearance', the question is why larger, redder lips seem to be overwhelmingly preferred. The link to other primates and sexual swellings is relevant,it is not evo psych nonsense. If true, no weirder than the fact that us and baboons share the eyebrow flash (I resist the temptation to claim teenage penchant for blue eye-shadow related to spectacular baboon blue!).........