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Oh ffs.

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Neverknowing · 10/08/2017 20:44

I've just seen this photo on FB. It's made me irrationally angry, men in the comments talking about how women 'make up rapes' and some even saying it protects both men and women somehow..?
So. Instead of focusing on the issue of men raping women we should get women to sign pieces of paper to say it's fine?
I can't even put into words all the reasons this is fucked up.

Oh ffs.
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Infowars1 · 11/08/2017 11:26

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Datun · 11/08/2017 11:21

Today 11:06 Infowars1

What does that have to do with it?? They are both drunk both happy to go along with it, can't wake up in the morning and call it rape!

Fortunately for women everywhere, the law disagrees with you

Datun · 11/08/2017 11:20

So what about all these female teachers "raping" their students? Thoughts on that?

Apart from the fact that women can't rape men, sexual assault by woman on a man is abhorrent.

So let's take all the women that do this, subtract them from all the men who do it, and you are still left with 94% of violent and sexual crimes being committed by men.

Thoughts on that?

Xenophile · 11/08/2017 11:18

They can't. They can, on the other hand sexually assault them in law. Hope that helps.

Infowars1 · 11/08/2017 11:14

So what about all these female teachers "raping" their students? Thoughts on that?

Xenophile · 11/08/2017 11:13

Infowars is unbiased news?

ODFOD.

I thought your name might be ironic, but no. Ah well. The point of my question is that it is only the person with the penis who can rape in law.

Infowars1 · 11/08/2017 11:09

It's just unbiased news, not like msm fake drivel,

Nonibaloni · 11/08/2017 11:09

This makes my blood boil, he consent issue I mean. I don't understand a grey area, what kind of man carries on if they are unsure. Who thinks she's stopped fighting and crying, she's clearly changed her mind.

In this day and age I thought when the videos that rapists take would change opinions. When a females body is being manhadled because she is so drunk or high she can't move undoubtedly it's rape. It must feel like rape to the rapist.
But no, the victims are victimised again as the video of their assualt are mocked.
I don't understand how the criminal justice system has a debate over it either. I mean I do obviously but it would be nice to see I would tide turning.

Infowars1 · 11/08/2017 11:06

What does that have to do with it?? They are both drunk both happy to go along with it, can't wake up in the morning and call it rape!

PricklyBall · 11/08/2017 11:06

Interesting choice of username there, Infowars.

(For those who don't know the ins and outs of the American politicised media scene at the moment, "Infowars" is an alt-right "news" and polemic website - think something that makes Breitbart look reasonable. Regulars on this board may want to bear that in mind when engaging.)

Xenophile · 11/08/2017 11:03

Infowars... who has the penis?

Infowars1 · 11/08/2017 10:59

What if they are both drunk?

Datun · 11/08/2017 10:49

No, of course she can't. But if she doesn't have the capacity to consent because of intoxication, she doesn't just call it rape, it IS rape.

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Neverknowing · 11/08/2017 10:49

@Infowars1 the point would be that it's not consensual if you're drunk? That works both ways.
Thank you @AssassinatedBeauty. I was shocked, I don't think I would have gone to the police anyway as I didn't feel I had enough proof, how do you prove you've been raped ?

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AssassinatedBeauty · 11/08/2017 10:45

@Neverknowing Flowers it's shocking that the police can respond that way. This man that attacked you knows that you didn't consent and that he raped you. It's mind games from him to suggest otherwise, gaslighting really.

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MrGHardy · 11/08/2017 09:43

Well, some men will see it as "that evil bitch ruined that poor blokes life". In a he-said-she-said of course the he must be right. You hear what you wanna hear, sadly. And in the wake of Brexit and Trump, studies have shown that even the truth or facts won't change that, if anything make people more antagonistic, and believe even more.

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Neverknowing · 11/08/2017 09:41

Exactly that @Datun !
When I was raped I truly believe he didn't think it was rape. I'd said no while he man handled me for an hour and then when I stopped fighting he raped me ... he says that's the same as consenting. There comes the 'grey area'.
I didn't even go to the police as they laughed at the woman he raped before me - he's sexually assaulted 6 people now. Yes women withdraw their accusations, but this is mostly because we don't want to be prodded and treated like we're lying. It should be treated like any other traumatic experience, but you're treated like a liar.

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Datun · 11/08/2017 09:32

The thing about false accusations is they are incredibly rare. The majority of times, the women drop the case. That does not mean she is making it up. If there is proof she is making it up, she will be prosecuted.

When people see a woman has dropped the case, they automatically think she made it up. Not so.

I believe someone mentioned a third verdict is possible in Scotland? That of not proven? And that many rape prosecutions result in this verdict.

I wonder if that carries any kind of publicly perceived implication. Do people see it as good as guilty?

MrGHardy · 11/08/2017 08:43

There are certainly some men that believe the incident of false rape accusation is high, and that since false accusations do not carry the same sentence that the entire thing is a female conspiracy. It's the typical "why should we change anything to make it better for you when there's that thing that is bad for us" excuse.

Datun · 11/08/2017 08:39

The thing that made me most angry was that it's focusing on the idea that women falsely accuse men of rape?

It's an idea that has definitely taken hold. It's almost as if men feel there is a grey area when it comes to consent and they might inadvertently fall into it.

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Neverknowing · 11/08/2017 08:29

The thing that made me most angry was that it's focusing on the idea that women falsely accuse men of rape? Which is obviously very rare compared to women who are actually getting raped?!
It's fine though because we don't want to ruin a mans precious reputation 🙄

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MrGHardy · 11/08/2017 07:03

No officer, I'm not drunk, see...whoops.

Kursk · 11/08/2017 04:15

I would be very interested to see the stats for rape for the Israeli military as they have a large number of women serving.

VestalVirgin · 11/08/2017 01:38

It is always great when men use such things, one then knows to avoid them.

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