Oh ffs.

And Xenophile

Thanks isay.

What ISay said, Datun

Rape and false accusations of rape are both very serious things. Imo neither should be joked about and neither should be ignored or overlooked.

Yes they should, but given false rape accusations are actually very very rare, it gets a hell of a lot of coverage.

In fact, whenever a rape case makes the news the following comments are always filled with whataboutary, usually in relation to the victim: what was she doing there at that time, why was she wearing that, why did she go off with him, she must have regretted it the next morning etc.

The vitriol that rape victims receive both online and in RL is awful to the point where some are hounded out of their house and home and have to move to start a new life under a new identity.

Needless to say if I ever get attacked in this way I probably won't report it. I don't think I would have the mental strength to cope with everything a rape allegation and court case (if it even for that far) entails.

It's an Americanism. It means you agree. Or it did when I was growing up there.

Xenophile

That analogy is great. What does the last word mean? Where the officer says 'word'.

Yes, good to know and use in debates and very great analogy in the photo.

Quite, Nonibaloni.

MrGH, Datun answered your question to me, so I hope that suffices.

Let's remember rape is the only crime where you have to prove it happened first.

If you say your car has been stolen the police assume it has been and start investigating. If they then discover it in your garage they deal with it.
There would be an outcry if it was any different. But say you've been raped by someone you know (statistically most likely) and a lot of people will raise an eyebrow. More say if he's rich and powerful and good looking.

Datun - because men are allowed to drink and have fun. Women aren't. Isn't it obvious?

False accusations of rape almost never fucking happen, and are discussed waaay to much in proportion to, you know, how often it actually happens.

Let's focus on the fact that men rape. That's an epidemic.

False accusations of crime are a tiny subgroup of crimes and not a societal problem that needs talking about by anyone who's not a professional in the field of crime.

Rape and false accusations of rape are both very serious things. Imo neither should be joked about and neither should be ignored or overlooked.

Today 12:14 MrGHardy

What's terrible is when they then tell the woman "shouldn't have gotten drunk then". I honestly wonder how people can justify this to themselves in their brains.

Given, statistically, men are equally as likely to be drunk as the women they attack, you should be hearing an equal outcry over men getting drunk in these situations. But no.

Today 12:14 MrGHardy

What's terrible is when they then tell the woman "shouldn't have gotten drunk then". I honestly wonder how people can justify this to themselves in their brains.

Given, statistically, men are equally as likely to be drunk as the women they attack, you should be hearing an equal outcry over men getting drunk in these situations. But no.

However, Xenophile do you think the penalty for penetration via penis man to woman should be the same as sexual assault of woman on man? What if the woman put something in his ass?

It is considered the same. It's just the wording. Rape has to be with a penis, because of the extra element of pregnancy.

If the woman commits the same or similar crime on a man, it's called sexual assault, but it carries the same tarrif.

The law does not trivialise female on male sexual assault.

What's terrible is when they then tell the woman "shouldn't have gotten drunk then". I honestly wonder how people can justify this to themselves in their brains.

"They can't. They can, on the other hand sexually assault them in law. Hope that helps" - Sadly many men/young men in particular argue this is sexism against men. They simply refuse to accept that the term rape necessitates a penis.

However, Xenophile do you think the penalty for penetration via penis man to woman should be the same as sexual assault of woman on man? What if the woman put something in his ass?

All on a par with those next day texts. I'm so sorry about last night/ I hope you forgive me/I don't know what came over me, I'll never do that again.

Even with those get read out in court and reported everywhere, people still blame the woman!

Because magically they did not refer to any kind of coercion, no siree, nothing to see here.

I feel Jacky Fleming might need an airing at this point...

That's the thing, though, isn't it? Women for the most part do not throw the word "rape" around after a consensual one-night stand. The clue is in the word "consensual".

Those bastions of radical feminism the British Home Office and the Metropolitan Police have commissioned research into the prevalence of false accusations - they are round the 3% level, in line with other crimes like burglary and assault. There is no epidemic of women crying rape the morning after consensual sex because... why? Why would one do that? Because you were feeling antsy due to a severe hangover? Because you had to do the walk of shame, so you thought you'd add to the experience with a medical exam of your vagina then having a defence lawyer attempt to do a character assassination on the witness stand?

What we have instead is a situation where a man can rape with impunity because he will be believed. There was a case recently where a man used the defence that he tripped and fell, erect penis first, into a drunk woman's vagina. He was found not guilty. There was a case where a man beat a woman up in a dark alley - but because he'd been seen chatting to her at the bar of the club an hour earlier and because his lawyer claimed some women liked rough sex, he got off. A man can have sex with a woman who is unconscious due to drink, but because she used the phrase "harder" to his mate, and they can find one other man (possibly paid for his testimony) who says he had consensual sex with the same woman and she said "harder" with him, he gets off. Seriously, men don't need this ridiculous bit of paper - they can rape with impunity anyway.

Except a drunken consensual night of sex is not rape.

If you're not sure if someone has the capacity to consent, might I suggest you don't stick your dick in them.