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A snappy wee poem for today

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MoaningYoniAgain · 07/08/2017 16:04

Via everywhere on fb, by Rachel Irischild. Interesting stuff eh.

"he tells her" (after Wendy Cope)

He tells her he's a woman too
He has a ladybrain
He tells her his identity
and hers; they are the same
He tells her not to talk about
her body; it's not fair
her body is her privilege
his own, a cross to bear

He tells her that she cannot talk
Or otherwise allude
to what her female body does
It's nasty to exclude
He says respect diversity
except he would prefer
that she not point out all the ways
that he's diverse from her

He tells her that biology
does not impact her life
she should still bear his children
but she must call him 'wife'
He says that words must all evolve
She must learn to make do
And now that woman is his word
He's taking 'female' too

He tells her that a woman is
whatever he decides
He will not put it into words
She must not ask, he chides
He tells her he is more oppressed
Than she has ever been
He says she must agree with him
or else she's being mean

She searches for the words she needs
To talk about herself
The billions who exist like her
their lives, their rights, their health
Whatever word she chooses now
He finds a way to spin it
The conversation carries on

But she's no longer in it

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Sunkisses · 06/04/2018 06:55

Bump - with a link to Rachel's website: irischild.blogspot.co.uk/2017/08/he-tells-her-after-wendy-cope.html

SpaghettiAndMeatballs · 05/10/2017 07:34

Ah, see, as feminists we're not allowed to have a sense of humour, so amusing rhymes do not belong. Ttbb is just reminding us of this, we should thank them really, for reminding us of our place.

ErrolTheDragon · 04/10/2017 20:56

What's not to like about a parodic poem?

And 'bulley points' is such a perfect notion for anyone who has to write tedious documents in business-speak that I think we should extend our applause to Ttbb for their accidental inspiration.

MoaningYoniAgain · 04/10/2017 20:51

I can't take the credit, it's not my work.

And they're not aiming for great works of art. More to raise awareness, and get more people interested in, and understanding the issues women are facing at present.

I think it's quite sad. That women's spaces are becoming an endangered species. That 'woman' is being defined as no more than a feeling in someone's head, that ignores the reality of oppression as a result of our female sex and female bodies.

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ErrolTheDragon · 04/10/2017 20:48

Blanche - my bad, its a pdf. I can't c&p it but if you google 'murray edwards the college and transgender' it should be fairly obvious to see the link after a few newspaper ones.

BarrackerBarmer · 04/10/2017 20:46

🥕👈🏼😎

AdalindSchade · 04/10/2017 20:28

Barracker Grin

QuentinSummers · 04/10/2017 20:12

I'm wondering if that's HairyLittleCarrot. Miss her poems.

TheDowagerCuntess · 04/10/2017 20:09

Barracker Grin

AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 04/10/2017 20:06

What's a 'proper' poem? Iambic pentameter?

BarrackerBarmer · 04/10/2017 19:51

Don't worry, Ttbb, I suspect the author has no preventions to art. Pretensions either for that matter. It's just a little rhymey thingy to make people smile. Those that are able, at least.
In the meantime, some bulley points for you. We aim to please.
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AdalindSchade · 04/10/2017 19:36

Wow ttbb aren’t you a delight Hmm

Ttbb · 04/10/2017 19:35

Why do people feel the need to divide everything into lines and stanzas like that? It's still not a poem really and even if it were a proper poem it wouldn't necessarily add anything to the argument. While I agree with what you have said a short paragraph of contrasting Bulley points would have been more effective. Prevention to art tends to alienate your audience. Do it properly or don't do it all.

Izzy24 · 04/10/2017 19:28

These poems are brilliant but also unbearably tragic.

Woman: I am a woman.

Man: no you’re not. I am.

Utter tragic insanity.

Blanchefleur · 04/10/2017 19:18

Love the poems, brilliant!

Errol, the link to the statement from the college isn't working for me - just brings up an error page. I can't find the statement anywhere else on their website either. Could you copy and paste it please? Thanks!

ErrolTheDragon · 04/10/2017 18:34

If anyone does want to write to Dame Barbara, here is the statement from the college which isn't exactly how its been reported in e.g. The Telegraph www.murrayedwards.cam.ac.uk/sites/default/files/files/Murray%20Edwards%20College

The first two poems were spot on.

Datun · 04/10/2017 17:03

MoaningYoniAgain

Fantastic. The way she writes is extraordinarily appealing.

KanyeWesticle · 04/10/2017 16:50

Thank you for this window of sanity!

MoaningYoniAgain · 04/10/2017 16:46

@Datun

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MoaningYoniAgain · 04/10/2017 16:45

A topical update

a college of women's seclusion
addressing their female exclusion
from ivory towers
asserted their powers
to fully adopt a delusion

admission criteria were changed
definitions rearranged
and now if you're really
quite womanly feely
you're in - which is frankly deranged

despite women's feminist gains
one idea still persists and constrains
what defines female?
answers by email
to the college for all ladybrains

~Irischild

offer your thoughts to President Dame Barbara Stocking on what it means to be female, or the need for female only spaces in education, to:
[email protected].

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Thelilywhite · 16/09/2017 18:09

Great! Such creative talented women here

Elendon · 16/09/2017 18:05

I've bookmarked this page. Those poems are brilliantly witty!

Thank you for sharing.

Badders08 · 16/09/2017 16:10

Fabulous!

Datun · 16/09/2017 16:02

I've only just realised that the poem is to the tune of oh dear what can the matter be, three old ladies locked in a lavatory.

Even more brilliant now, if that's possible.

whoputthecatout · 16/09/2017 15:36

Yes. The message is starting to get through.