I am Jazz. ***Trans content. Please do not open if you just want to post insults or whinge about another trans thread***

I get that, I was pointing out to Mizk what ours are actually for which Jazz will sadly never have. For what it is worth if I could switch bodies with DH for a day, I would love to find out what sex feels like to him, I bet it is quite different, but as that isn't actually possible, despite what people are promised, I will stick with the body I have got.

Mizk, my vagina is not a 'receptacle for a penis' it is a space for me to enjoy sexual pleasure and I gave birth out of it too

That is the point, the fake vagina won't allow for sexual pleasure at all, and the owner of it will never give birth.

I would assume it is for Jazz so she can have the body that she has always wanted....a woman's body

They won't have a womans body though. They will have a pastiche of one at best. A non working fake vagina that has no function is not a womans body.

As it does for many women

Most of us expect to get reciprocal pleasure out of it though. We don't, or shouldn't, exist just for men...

This is all quite sad and worrying. I've just read the link that says she has depression. She shouldn't be going through this on TV, we have no idea that it's going to end well. Her parents should be looking out for her mental health and this level of scrutiny isn't helpful.

Mizk, my vagina is not a 'receptacle for a penis' it is a space for me to enjoy sexual pleasure and I gave birth out of it too.

'And I'm sure if she's dating men it will eventually prove quite handy as a 'receptacle for a penis'. As it does for many women.'

This is becoming increasingly uncommon, surely?

Women who do not experience sexual pleasure are much more confident about refusing sex now. Many identify as asexual.

Datun I would assume it is for Jazz so she can have the body that she has always wanted....a woman's body. And I'm sure if she's dating men it will eventually prove quite handy as a 'receptacle for a penis'. As it does for many women.

If left alone, or fifteen years ago before all this was a fashionable 'thing', Jazz most likely would have grown into an effeminate gay teenager - absolutely nothing wrong with that - and grown into gay sexuality during adolescence with a dating pool of men finding Jazz very attractive and physically perfect exactly as is. At eleven there was no way to know that might not happen as puberty kicked in properly. It's awful that Jazz no longer has that door open, and never will.

This ^^. I won't even let my DC decide about piercing their ears because I consider them too young but an 11yo can decide to do this to their bodies? No.

I would expect to be told early in a relationship if my partner had been born the opposite sex that I believed them to be

And is sterile and sexually dysfunctional.

I don't understand the point of giving jazz a neovagina. It smacks of being utilised as a hole and nothing more, for someone else.

It's this patriarchal concept that vaginas are nothing more than a receptacle for penises.

It would have no biological function. It doesn't 'give' in the same way as a natal vagina and she's not going to feel sexual pleasure.

So who's it for?

I've seen one episode, the last one when Jazz was meeting the consultant re the neo vagina
I only watched because it was on after my guilty secret say yes to the dress
It's terrible how Jazz is being exploited and disturbing how the whole family, including grandparents, are involved with discussions about sexual feelings
Jazz said they had never experienced any sexual feelings at all. Jazz also talked a lot about romance and meeting the man of her dreams and that she is like any other girl
Of course she isn't. An animated Jazz does not pass as well as a carefully shot photograph
The whole thing is very disturbing
I would expect to be told early in a relationship if my partner had been born the opposite sex that I believed them to be

"she has blithely asserted that she can use one of her sisters as a surrogate."

Datun, on a similar note, I watched Leo: Becoming A Trans Man recently in which Leo declared they would like their eggs frozen before taking T so that in the future they can use donor sperm and their wife or girlfriend can have a 'small operation' to have the embryo implanted so that Leo can have biological children.

The level of entitlement is astounding.

If left alone, or fifteen years ago before all this was a fashionable 'thing', Jazz most likely would have grown into an effeminate gay teenager - absolutely nothing wrong with that - and grown into gay sexuality during adolescence with a dating pool of men finding Jazz very attractive and physically perfect exactly as is. At eleven there was no way to know that might not happen as puberty kicked in properly. It's awful that Jazz no longer has that door open, and never will.

It's like Iran. The "doctor" is a family member if I'm thinking of the right child. Jazz is a walking gender experiment to some. Poor child, I hope they find happiness.

WhichJob

I don't know. It's incredibly difficult to find information about this online.

I know that the head of the penis is positioned to make a clitoris. But that's assuming a fully developed, mature penis. Coupled with the fact that a penis has half the number of nerve endings of a clitoris, it sounds like an unsatisfactory clitoris for anyone. And I believe achieving orgasm is quite difficult for adults.

As Jazz's genitals remain those of an 11-year-old, I'm assuming that any sexual function, should she retain them, would be that of an 11-year-old.

Also, although puberty blockers are reversible, something like 99% of children who on them, go on to cross sex hormones. These hormones then induce puberty of the opposite sex.

The doctor said, pointing to Jazz's breasts, that they have done him a favour there, but not down there, pointing to his crotch.

I have no idea what would happen if Jazz was suddenly put on male hormones, instead of female. Research on the long-term use of hormones and puberty blockers is scant. I do know that cross sex hormones are considered irreversible.

Women who detransition still grow facial hair and have a deep voice that they can't change.

In reply to Maisy ... I think it is one thing for this to happen 'off air' and one thing for it to be televised. I can't help thinking it is setting up two very vulnerable young people in a situation that there are no etiquette manuals for.

Oh and just another thought about lying - I lost my virginity to someone who claimed to be five years younger than he was - ie just five years older than me instead of the ten years older he was in reality. I felt robbed of an important decision that I probably wouldn't have made based on his lie.

datun

Poor little mite

And the whole thing makes me so sad. My DS loves babies, he always has and he is so lovely with them. My DD isn't interested at all. I also know how much children innately want to please their parents and they are so open to suggestion. It is a total headfuck to know that I could have told my DC that they were the 'wrong' gender throughout their childhoods based on something like a boy loving babies and thinking they are cute.

"I just wondered what other peoples thoughts are on the subject of lying about your sex to the people you date?"
Well, the operative word here is 'lying'. And it could be lying about many things other than your sex. For example, claiming to be single when you're married. Working in a respectable job when you're a burglar. Or even something trivial. Just plain lying to present yourself as what you think the other person wants you to be. Taking away that person's choice.

Because lies are told for a reason, to get the liar what they want, and to prioritise what they want over what the lied-to wants.

So, they know you wouldn't date them if you knew they were married. They lie, and turn you into a mistress when you thought you were a girlfriend. Or in the case of transgendered, they lie and remove the possible future of a naturally-conceived family.

A relationship built on a lie is no relationship at all . And I don't think either party really gets what they want, not the lied-to and not even the liar; because they know they risk losing it all when they're found out. What a way to live.

Can her physical status be reversed? I'm showing my ignorance now, but could puberty be encouraged to happen for real? A life without a proper functioning sexual life sounds very sad indeed and I do not feel that a child is able to make that decision.

Why is Jazz dating if no libido etc? I'm a bit confused.

God it sounds awful - no libido etc. What were his parents thinking?? 😡

Sorry, I meant to add that the transing of children would not be happening either.