I am Jazz. ***Trans content. Please do not open if you just want to post insults or whinge about another trans thread***

And talked a lot about the romantic princess type stuff

I only saw that one episode but it wasn't mentioned at all
Jazz friends were trans. It all seemed so boring spending their time dreaming about Mr Right and body issues
I wanted to scream at them to live

Can anyone who has watched the programme tell me whether gender dysphoria is mentioned much?

I agree with this:
'This poor child is being exploited and experimented on, and it's just wrong. I genuinely feel this is child abuse, akin to Munchaussen's by proxy'

and this:

' before all this was a fashionable 'thing', Jazz most likely would have grown into an effeminate gay teenager - absolutely nothing wrong with that - and grown into gay sexuality during adolescence with a dating pool of men finding Jazz very attractive and physically perfect exactly as is'

When I was prescribed HRT, the GP went on for ages about how it could only be prescribed for a short time and the risk of cancer etc etc,

yet children much much younger will be on these hormones for LIFE. And nobody really knows what impact they will have on their bodies.

God, I know way too much about this shit confused

I, for one, am glad you do!

When you consider that cakes are being baked for children to have a trans coming-out party, it kind of shits all over the concept of it being something to celebrate.

It's often billed as, variously, brave, courageous, aspirational, celebratory and of course, authentic...

The thigh doesn't self lubricate, and leaves a nasty scar on the spot it's taken from, and I believe has even less sensation than the colon. It also takes longer to heal and has more potential to have complications
On the other hand, the colon produces too much mucus, has a weird (gross, tbh) odour, and has its own complications also. It's gone out of style amongst trans people these days, and the sort where the scrotum makes up the cavity, and the penile skin the external part, with a glans as a pseudo clitoris, is preferred by most, followed by penile inversion.
The neoclitoris is made from the glans, yeah. But generally it seems that if one was not orgasmic before surgery, one will definitely not be afterwards, what with the reduced amount of tissue that can be stimulated, and the potential nerve damage. Which means Jazz is unlikely to ever orgasm.
God, I know way too much about this shit

JessicaEccles

If Jazz doesn't have a libido, I'm assuming that what he doesn't know about, he won't miss.

That's from his own personal perspective. But I completely agree, that intellectually, he will understand and I shouldn't imagine will be very happy about it.

But these parents have effectively let their child be castrated, ended his/her sex life before it even began. condemned them to a life of dangerously high hormones and further surgery.

How will Jazz fell about this when s/he is older? I hope s/he sues their rotten manipulative assess off.

and a young choir boy is castrated to preserve his wonderful singing voice.

That is true, historically. It was made illegal in 1870.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castrato

And thanks for keeping the thread on topic and not going down the angry trans thread route. smile

I am very angry. About the ideology in general. But I see no merit in a slanging match about it.

The problem with the ideology (as it has become) is that it's a belief system. If you believe it, you believe that what has happened to Jazz is a natural extension of it.

To answer a PP's question, there is debate about whether thigh or colon is better to use but as a colon is an internal organ it has properties that make it more suitable in some ways than thigh tissue.

The other thing that is frequently overlooked is that the scarring caused by operating in such a sensitive area can in itself cause further loss of sensation (in the neo clitoris) and further more can lead to permanent pain if surgery doesn't go well or indeed from any number of post surgery complications.

The other night it came to me what this all reminds me of: Kingsley Amis wrote a very strange but haunting little book called 'The Alteration' set in a future where the Reformation never happened and a young choir boy is castrated to preserve his wonderful singing voice.

My heart is breaking for this child. The facts are startling and chilling. Poor child.

Sorry and what is a 'neoclitoris' made from, if not the head of the penis? Would that have any sexual function?

Sorry to bombard you with questions. It's actually quite hard to find unbiased information online.

Scrumplestiltskin

If they are able to use skin from the thigh, do you know why they would ever use part of the colon instead?

Bacterial vaginosis (not sure on spelling) which is an infection.

Thanks, this is an informative thread.

@WhichJob bacterial vaginosis

What is BV?

I would assume it is for Jazz so she can have the body that she has always wanted....a woman's body

Any "neovaginal" cavity will either be made out of constantly mucus producing colon tissue, which has a unique...odour, or, out of the flesh of Jazz's thigh.
The "neoclitoris" sometimes necrotises and falls off in surgeries that use such methods, (as opposed to penile inversion,) which is why at least one doctor who does these surgeries, adds what is essentially a "back up neoclitoris" which Jazz does not have the amount of penile tissue for.
They will have to dilate daily for many years, and will unlikely ever experience genital sexual pleasure, being as their genitals will be constructed from prepubescent penis and scrotum, (of which they apparently have very little,) as well as colon, or penis, scrotum, and thigh skin.
Their neovagina's normal state, bacterially, will most closely resemble that of a woman with BV.
Their breasts are abnormally developed (tuberous,) so they will eventually likely have surgery on those, and they are sterile, depressed, isolated due to their unique issues, and all of this is irreversible.
It's terribly, terribly sad, and I think the worst thing about it is that the adults in Jazz's life have groomed them into it from the age of 5, under the guise of "helping." The people who should have protected Jazz, have led them into a position where Jazz is depressed, in a body that will never function normally, and due to irreversible biological changes and financial reasons, is unable to change their mind

aginghippy

I agree. But the spin is so effective that people are not dismantling any of this.

People watch the show. They may or may not come away feeling uneasy. But when you actually point out the enormity of what has happened to Jazz, there's a slight disconnect.

What they've seen somehow doesn't quite correlate with the reality, even when they know it. Until a small mind shift takes place.

It's actually rather chilling.

Her parents should be looking out for her mental health and this level of scrutiny isn't helpful.

Nobody is protecting Jazz in any way. It's exploitation of a vulnerable child. The parents are making money, as are the TV companies.

MizK

We will have to disagree. I don't think an 11-year-old boy is capable of asserting with any degree of autonomy that he wants a 'woman's body'. Neither has he got one.

When I said a receptacle for a penis, that's exactly what I meant.

Apart from the biological function , a woman with a vagina (and clitoris) will usually experience sexual pleasure.

Jazz will have nothing to sexually stimulate.

By no stretch of the imagination has Jazz 'become a woman'.