I am Jazz. ***Trans content. Please do not open if you just want to post insults or whinge about another trans thread***

And I'm not disputing that gender dysphoria is a very real thing and very distressing. But people are taking A and getting to Z.

What do you mean by this Datun

Gavel it's a catch 22 situation. If the child goes through puberty then it will be much more difficult for them to 'pass' because they will have gone through the puberty of their undesired sex and therefore will have acquired physical characteristics of that sex (size, deeoness of voice, body hair distribution, etc etc). These characteristics are difficult to reverse, even with hormone therapy and surgery. If they are given hormone blockers the genitals don't develop enough for successful SRS to be carried out. So it's a choice of a being more likely to 'pass' or having a 'functioning neovagina'.
I feel sorry for Jazz. She doesn't seem to understand sex at all. In one scene she was asking her dad if men looked at their partners vaginas a
lot. And I've got to add, I don't think she does look that feminine, even with with puberty blockers and oestrogen therapy.
I think her father is starting to have some regrets and guilt now. I suspect the mother has either munchausens by proxy, or they cooked up a plan between them to monetize their child. See Lauren Harries and her parents.

My son doesn't feel the need to bond with a girl and he assures me he is 100% heterosexual. He is 16.

I honestly feel that this child is being fed to the wolves. It's disgusting to read about her. She will get all the affirmation she needs regarding being female but she isn't at the end of it all.

So sad that a young person has been mistreated in this way and exploited by her parents.

HarryBiscuit

Apparently Jazz was concerned over what his genitalia would look like should he go for the neovagina.

I haven't seen it, but I've read that there was a cringing conversation where he asked his father quite how much of a vagina a man would see when he was having sex with a woman.

Apparently the dad was too embarrassed to answer.

What struck me was it was like some kind of weird tea time conversation.

The sort of things that might floor a parent momentarily is stuff like what is sperm, what is an orgasm, etc. Not how much of mum's vagina do you see when you're having sex with her? Because, not only is the answer all of it, but I couldn't help thinking it was a very juvenile thing to ask. Not something a 17-year-old would ever contemplate. Unless they had the mind of a child, which is a horrifying thought.

I have never watched the show but have just found a few clips on YouTube.

There was one where the mum tells her husband they're going to a drag show for Jazz's 16th birthday and the husband can barely say the word penis to his wife and it's very stilted and I just wonder how on earth they can be in the situation they're in with Jazz given that they giggle and are awkward saying the words "balls" and "penis" to each other. Or maybe that's exactly why they have got to where they are.

Poor Jazz. I didn't realise doing it so early me at no libido and no sexual function. Surely that is a compelling reason to wait til post puberty, if anymore were actually needed.

And I'm not disputing that gender dysphoria is a very real thing and very distressing. But people are taking A and getting to Z.

AdalindSchade

Well exactly. And I did muse for five minutes on whether or not I would ever have contemplated it.

What if he had gone online and been sucked into like-minded individuals pissed off over their hair, height and forehead? And that 'tribe' joined another tribe.

Then you have pro ana all over again.

Gonegonegone

I know (you had me at snot).

Where the fuck is commonsense? And experience/intuition/knowledge.

datun the equivalent thing would have been to get your son hair plugs, lifts in his shoes and maybe some kind of facelift

Why do we let people do this to children?

Jazz may not know what it is like to have a libido personally, but as an adult will be surrounded by other adults who do, and every form of media including sexuality as a large part of being an adult being. It will be another form of alienation and exclusion from the world.

I keep thinking of the case in the media lately of Charlie Gard, another situation where the basic common sense rights of the child to protection have been sacrificed to modern niceness to adults needing to make their choices and being pulled towards band wagons, and social media providing a very influential framework for it all. Two vulnerable kids whose interests should have been put first, and adults should have been brave enough to say no.

The only thing 3yrolds are consistent, persistent and insistent about is not sleeping. And eating their own snot. Hope to fuck this kid sues the hell out of the show, his doctors, parents and anyone else who encouraged this circus.

The outcome is pretty much the same, surely

Yes, it is. It's also, I think, something to do with looking at your little boy child and imagining a girl child, without considering that they will become adult with a fully comprehensive sex life.

Part of me wonders whether there might be a subconscious parental motivation for rendering trans children with a very muted ability to experience sexual feeling.

I also can't quite understand why this type of interference is not perceived as similar to, say, FGM. With FGM, you remove part of the genital source for sexual feeling in girls; with puberty blockers and cross hormones in someone like Jazz, you are stopping those genital sources from developing.

The outcome is pretty much the same, surely?

If a boy with a very feminine voice did the speed dating in the dark then only revealed their male self to the boy who liked them in the light that boy would feel duped. It's the same thing and needs said straight away. I allways hated Jackie Kay's trumpet for this reason, and while boys don't cry is hugely sympathetic I allways wondered why the girl didn't feel angered by this deception.

fancy vagina

Datun I would assume it is for Jazz so she can have the body that she has always wanted....a woman's body. And I'm sure if she's dating men it will eventually prove quite handy as a 'receptacle for a penis'. As it does for many women.

. speak for yourself. I am not a dick bin. I am a human female who have millions of nerve endings and enjoys sex. That sex which has resulted in me giving birth several times over via my fancy vagina.

As soon as he hit puberty, my son worried that he wouldn't grow as tall as his brother (he didn't) wouldn't have the mop of hair his brother has (he doesn't) and what could he do about his high forehead?

He was 'insistent, consistent and persistent' for bloody years . And fairly distressed. Another symptom.

I've only just thought about it, really. It hit at puberty (the same age when gender dysphoria normally kicks in) and it took until after leaving school for the anxiety to recede. He still has it, but is reconciled. And a very happy kid, despite his dissatisfaction.

Statistically gender dysphoria will be reconciled towards the end of puberty.

I was sympathetic, obviously, but I never indulged it. Tried to build up his self-esteem and pointed out all his good bits, which are manifold.

It was instinctive in me to try and make him become reconciled. Not only because I knew he could never change it, but also because I thought it was an unhealthy obsession that concentrated too much on the superficial, in a vaguely ego eccentric way. (He is fairly ego eccentric actually).

In fact the more I think about it, the more I am seeing parallels!

It can't possibly be that unusual.

CosmicPineapple

Jazz is the trans poster child. Writing books, doing appearances, winning awards. People thank him for saving their life.

Affirmation and encouragement at every turn. Like a self perpetuating loop.

I can't help thinking that the TV show and publicity is like that Made in Chelsea show where everything looks idyllic and gorgeous and something to which to aspire.

I would love to be wrong. Genuinely. But every fibre of my body tells me I'm not.

Oh, that he was 'persistent, consistent and insistent' on wanting to be a girl. Those are three words that have to be complied with to be considered gender dysphoric.

Apparently he was diagnosed with gender dysphoria when he was three. That's all I can find out. No actual description. He said he liked girl's stuff and when he was three he asked his mother when the fairy was going to wave a magic wand and change his 'genitalia'.

The doctor gave him an anatomically correct girl doll and boy doll asking which one he was, he pointed to the boy, and was asked which one he wanted to be and he pointed to the girl.

I can't believe there isn't more to it than that. But gender dysphoria seem to be quite conspicuous by its absence in the narrative.