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Does this experience support the trans idea of being born in the wrong body?

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Gettheleather · 02/08/2017 12:42

Excuse the long post. There was child born in 1988 with cloacal exstophy. The babies genitalia was unidentifiable. During surgery internal testicles were removed. The baby spent their first year being raised as a boy and at one year old it was decided that it would be psychologically better for the baby to be raised as a girl. The Drs were under the impression that it didn't really matter, a child without genitalia could be raised either sex and it be fine.

For the next approximately 20 years the child was raised as a girl, chromosomal testing was done for medical reasons and it was discovered they had the XY chromosome. He decided he was a man. He has spoken of always feeling like something wasn't quite right, he had struggled spending many years trying to convince himself and everyone else that he was something he wasn't.

I know most of mumsnet agree that gender is dysphoria is a very real condition and simply question how gender identity law can be exploited by those not genuinely suffering with it and how it will infringe on others rights. But I do believe there are some who question that you can be born in the wrong body at all. If sex is truly only about genitalia then why did this man feel so distressed by the years of living as female? Is it some evidence that sex and gender are more than just biology?

I'm not being goady, I feel it's a valid thing to question.

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YetAnotherSpartacus · 02/08/2017 13:01

Did he have breasts and periods?

Gettheleather · 02/08/2017 13:00

I'm not explaining this very well.

He was male and specialists decided he needed to be raised as female. He wasn't female and it caused him a lot of distress, why? What was the underlying reason of this distress when he never knew of the male chromosomes or internal male genitalia.

Was he suffering from body dysmorphia that had been thrust upon him.

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SaintFrancis · 02/08/2017 13:00

If he was biologically male, how could he be raised as a girl for 20 years?

What about when he didn't develop breasts or start periods?

Wouldn't he then know he wasn't a girl?

YetAnotherSpartacus · 02/08/2017 12:55

AFAIK the child was intersex (?). This is a whole, different complex issue.

If sex is truly only about genitalia then why did this man feel so distressed by the years of living as female? Is it some evidence that sex and gender are more than just biology

It isn't just about genitalia. It's also about chromosomes. The case is complex because of cultural / social influences. There was nothing 'pure' about it in terms of anything objective it could show about sex or gender.

What it does show is the dangers of too early surgery on unfortunate individuals who are born with intersex conditions.

Gettheleather · 02/08/2017 12:54

He was biologically male. That's not my question really. He was raised as a female and always felt it was wrong. He didn't know he was biologically male until he was 20. My point is, many people believe that sex is only about biology. I'm questioning whether his psychological discomfort shows there is another level of what makes someone male or female other than their biology.

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LilithTheKitty · 02/08/2017 12:47

Biology was involved in this case though? With XY chromosomes he was biologically male regardless of external genitalia.

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