Why do men use prostitutes?

There is no inherent wrong in sex. This isn't about prudery or fear of sex. This is about the idea that one half of the population having to be consistently sexually available to the other half or they will pay to negate consent.

There's another thread on here where a woman is talking about not wanting sex as much as her DH and there are people who are suggesting she put up and shut up or he will look elsewhere.

I tend to think that men are more capable of acting humanely, it seems it's mostly men who fail to agree.

Mrghardy men and women equally buy goods from non ethical sources. Men and women both eat meat in equal measures.

Generally though, women don't buy men for a shag, this is a male on female problem. It is women that are being exploited in the sex industry.

You did not, many responses on the first page do and having lurked a bit is a recurring theme. You did accuse me of wanting to shut down discussion, which I didn't intend to, nor did (imo).

I'm a man and I wouldn't have sat and posted for so many years if I thought all the feminists here simply hated men. I think the position is more nuanced than that.

Btw why doesn't it help? Because it's not true. As if it were there is nothing to do to stop men going to see prostitutes as they hate them and enjoy not just the sex but the degradation of exploiting a woman. But if they just don't care enough to be bothered by exploitation, like we are about say sweat shops, then that means you could approach the problem by finding a way of making them care about said exploitation.

Dervel No, not what I was doing, and sorry but you also missed the point. I am not saying prostitution is great, men are great, stop talking out about it. I am saying stop saying "men hate women" as the reason for everything. Point to highlight: My dad mansplains. He mansplains my mom, he mansplains me, my brother. He is the most gentle being I ever met, he simply likes explaining (he even was a teacher once). A blanket "men hate women" is not true and doesn't help. Same way "all Brexit voters are stupid" isn't true and doesn't help.

And the sweatshop was just an example. I feel the same about meat and yet I still eat it because I just ignore it and justify it one way or the other. Same way most of us ignore where some of the things we buy come from. My point just was, why suddenly when it concerns women, is this totally overlooked.

People empathize with the people closest to them most easily, they empathize next with the people that they can see.
Capitalists value profit above all else. It hides injuries, toxic waste,sweatshops and slavery. It discards broken humans.

If most people act like spoiled entitiled children, its up to those of us who arent to parent them. To keep pushing to improve things, to set rules and boundaries.
Thats civilised behaviour. To consider the effect on the majority and on the next generation, and the one that comes after.

If men cant manage to do that, then they are not fit to rule.

Just as there are people challenging sweatshop conditions there are people challenging sexual exploitation of women and children. This is just a derail in an attempt to shut down discussion.

I'm not automatically opposed to the sex industry, as I don't see an inherent wrong in sex, but I do see a general all purpose worrying attitude towards sex.

This is manifest when we get to prostitution when we get to the treatment of women. Men who use prostitues in the main are excused (outside of feminist circles), which when compared to the hit to a woman's reputation reveals a major bias towards controlling female sexuality.

Women who fall into that category are also at a significantly increased risk of violence from men. This simply cannot be allowed to stand. An attack on one woman simply because of the fact she is a woman is an attack on all women.

I'm not so sure criminalization will fix the problem on its own. It likely requires a complete overhaul and a root look at how we approach, but I do think sex workers are like canaries and reveal some pretty untenable and toxic attitudes.

Whatever we do the one thing I fucking don't want is German style super brothels opening up down the street from me. So sign me up to whomever doesn't want that.

No, it's not. And you clearly failed to understand the point made, or didn't want to, which seems a recurring theme. When bad men hurt women it's "because they hate women", when bad men hurt men it's because they're bad, not because "they hate men"? No, humans just don't empathize. And let me ask you directly - do you buy from mainstream brands? If so, how dare you, exploiting people or even kids.

They want sex without any emotional involvement or comeback. They pay they call the shots. They're in charge. Hmm. Doesn't look good does it.

"the rate of male humans doing this is higher than female"

That right there is not another story. It's the whole point.

Oh not this again.

"They do feel entitled cadno because they think their desire for an orgasm entitles them to pay a woman who wouldn't ordinarily go near them.
I really don't understand how else a man could justify that to himself other than entitlement."

So it's all luck? To get a hot woman you must be hot? Say 100 men all wanted one woman but she thinks just 5 are good enough for her, then all the other 95 are entitled supposing they'd be willing to pay, and the 5 are what, princes?

Before all of you jump on the bandwagon that men are all sexists and think sex is their right and similar arguments, I would propose you consider men as humans first.

Humans do terrible things to each other (yes, the rate of male humans doing this is higher than female but that is another story) and humans lack empathy. They just don't care. They don't think about. Whether or not these women are exploited or not doesn't matter, it's not considered.

Or do you think about the kids that are exploited, the millions and millions of workers in China or Vietnam and elsewhere that live in appalling conditions that produce your sneakers or your jeans or your shirts or your handbags or a plethora of other products, just so you can have them cheap. Do none of you buy products produced under such conditions? If so, respect, but I highly highly doubt it.

People used to make an day out of watching public executions. Society seems to have survived.

It just got better and now it is getting worse again. History is cycles.

Human society will of course survive, it will just enter a very dark phase as the global capitalist system collapses and humankind struggles to adapt to a warming climate.

To get back to prostitution, I think the sex industry is completely globalised and digitalised now.

And I have no idea what anyone can do about that.

People used to make an day out of watching public executions. Society seems to have survived.

Of course not everyone does. But beheadings are there for people to watch if they choose to. It is all there.

We will be dead before the worst of it happens.

But the world is going to get worse in every way. The internet, climate change, biogenetics, war, AI, mass unemployment due to automation - this will make poverty, violence, prostitution, exploitation all worse. This is inevitable.

"People watch beheadings on Facebook." Do they? The majority? A large minority? Do we all think that it's normal?

I hope I'm long gone, and my descendants have founded a separatist island community before your horrific future comes to pass.

Late for you I guess, cadno. You're making less sense than usual.

Blimey, is that the time ? well yes, off to bed. G'Night.

AssassinatedBeauty we are almost there. People watch beheadings on Facebook. Can you imagine someone twenty years ago saying this will be the future and believing them? That all children will carry a little box with them with which they can access snuff and bestiality?

I can IMAGINE a dark future in which all the fundamental moral taboos we recognise have gone. Moreover, if inequality grows then the poor, jobless masses will be willing to do more and more in order to survive, such as sell their children into slavery or the sex industry as they did in the 19th century. Due to energy wars and climate change, there will be a continuous supply of migrants for the elites to abuse or exploit.

Men fuck prostitutes because they can. They don't analyse it. A lot of men see sex as a transactional situation. And I sadly think that will always be the case.

Essentially I think it's because society allows them to do so. The patriarchal society that we all live in.

It's human nature to essentially behave as badly as we believe we will get away with - this seems to be a motivation as according to the article these men wouldn't do it if they thought they would be caught and exposed/punished.

Men behave in this way because society not only lets them but positively encourages it by its treatment of women.

Late for you I guess, cadno. You're making less sense than usual.

And an unenforceable contract cannot be enforced so, practically, what are you left with? Not much.

left with a service for money, I guess.

"In time, it could be considered normal for people to watch the rape of children," How? Why? Just because they can and will? Normal? What? I cannot understand how you think we will get to that position.