Government survey of LGBT experiences

Have just started posted on mumsnet today for the first time (did LGBT survey and signed petition) because I need my biological female voice to be heard, I am struggling to find a gender critical feminist group in my area. Could anyone PM me if they know of any, I live in Warwickshire/West Midlands UK.

userblah first of all you have no idea which of us are lesbian or bisexual. Also, any gender critical person appears to fall under the transgender umbrella, as we do not 'identify with the gender we were born'.

Please, don't be selfish, and find another opportunity to make your point.

Which opportunity do you suggest? A serious question. The proposals affect women but the government is not consulting the vast majority of us.

Is it really selfish to object to this nonsense? It's a poorly designed survey that is going to help shape new laws with the potential to ruin lives (an invitation to increase rape, assault, sexual intimidation and the sterilisation of young people via hormones).

As it turns out I am agender (have checked many definitions and yet to find one that excludes me) and therefore come under the trans umbrella according to Stonewall. I can complete the survey with a clear conscience, as can any one else who falls under the survey's remit which is nearly everyone.

User, surely the only responses used to look at LGB people will be from people who stated that they were LGB?

Thing is userblabla If you are agender (do not identify yourself as having a gender, which lots of feminists don't as gender is a social construct en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/agender) then technically you are trans and perfectly entitled to fill in the survey.
Perhaps if they are swamped with "agender but biologically female" it might start some cogs turning about what gender actually means

Yes, I see it too, but I think it had well and truly bolted, long before we thought about it.

I think the horse has bolted on that one, user. I do see your point, unfortunately the trans activists and SJWs have left people with few ways to be heard

If you are not LGBT please do not fill out this survery. I don't know what they plan to do with it but it could end up helping many LGBT people - the whole survey is not just about gender but also about sexuality. Please, don't be selfish, and find another opportunity to make your point.

Not surprising - I am sure anyone who idly clicked on the BBC website probably followed the links and had a go to see what it was that they weren't invited to fill in

I don't think the questions were useful to anyone anyway. Just window dressing flannel.

Ha ha, it's not just us filling out this survey. Anti SJWs too.

twitter.com/ssjnance/status/889565418410713088

They're clearly not interested in gathering meaningful data. I fear that this process is a done deal. Many questions are ridiculously vague, poorly defined.

You can see how the sloppy data might be twisted in the future:

'90 percent of trans people have experienced abuse!' (based on the question that asks whether you have experienced abuse for any reason)

Women/lesbians, nope, nothing of interest here (or if there is we aren't actually asking any of the relevant question because we don't care, your issue are far too old hat and non-sexy nowadays.....)

Yes. I felt very sad for lesbians whilst going through the survey. They have been completely and deliberately sidelined.

This seems a complete farce, there's nothing to stop multiple entries, or even restrict entries to people in the UK.... how can they hope to obtain any kind of useful statistics from this?

Might it be possible to submit a FOI request asking how they plan to ensure that the data gathered in this survey will be meaningful and relevant, given that anyone can complete it multiple times?

Said I didn't identify as anything, or have a gender identity, just woman based on sex (female) and species (homo sapiens).

Jeez, so slanted towards identity and everything trans, if you're just a boring ole lesbian, nowt to ask -- since all the laws are there aren't they, so if someone still spits at you in the street, only relevant question is 'did you report it', and if not why not.................

I really can't see WHY they bothered calling it LGBTWTF survey, might as well just have called it T alone, and then at least they would have cleaner data on the group they were actually interested in.

Women/lesbians, nope, nothing of interest here (or if there is we aren't actually asking any of the relevant question because we don't care, your issue are far too old hat and non-sexy nowadays.....)

It is a load of twaddle. I can't believe this is the quality of thought for the basis of law in this day and age.

FFS I CANT BELIEVE IT HAS COME TO THIS

This. Utterly fucking ludicrous and scary. Where are the people with common fucking sense that can STOP this shit?!

Oh no, of course not Beyond. Wouldn't want to fuck up such a thoroughly researched, scientifically acuitate, nuanced and carefully worded survey

Lemon, I so haven't already done it twice today...

Plus of course it's meaningless. I'm a British Citizen, but not currently resident in the UK - exactly what are they doing to stop me taking the survey anyway

I might complete it more than once a day to properly account for my gender fluidity

As many gender critical people as possible need to complete this.

I completed it by ticking lots of 'prefer not to say' - don't feel bad about this as I'm a woman who thinks that gender is a restrictive and outdated concept and given that I don't wear much makeup and can change a car tyre I probably can lay reasonable claim to being non-binary... I ticked that they can reprint my comments although I doubt that my very reasonable views will see the light of day anywhere.
I'm so angry about this. Women's rights will be set back 200 years.

Yes, I thought that, Assigned. Intersex is not an identity. "LGBT" is not a single issue monolith.

That survey is big steaming pile of horseshit, written by some science illiterate fuckwit.

Many 'prefer not to say's later, you get chance to comment:
"I am a woman, this is a biological fact. I may chose to present as a different gender but this does not affect the biological fact. I feel very strongly that discrete women's and men's spaces are for biological women and men. My CHOICE to identify as a different gender doesn't override the fundamental rights of biological identity."