Changing gender without any medical care/advice/opinion - just saying 'I'm a woman' and it being so

On the subject of access to women's safe spaces, I'm am the director of a large domestic abuse charity. A condition of much of our funding is that we must offer refuge to males. We do this through dispersed properties (I.e. Not the multi-occupancy refuge). In the 6 years I've worked with the charity we have never needed to provide refuge for an adult male (though we've provided outreach support to many). The dispersed properties are great for women with older male children though. We would not provide refuge to a biological male in our main refuge regardless of how he identified. He would however be provided refuge and support.

We as a charity could manage this legislation but I'm not sure that our situation is the norm.

This madness shows how completely out of touch with reality our government is.

This is fucking awful. It's Orwellian. I am genuinely frightened about what will be unleashed if the law is changed to allow people to self identify. It's madness.

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Gender dysphoria exists. But I have since learnt that it is, like every other bloody thing, on a spectrum.

From mild to severe.

Distressing, I utterly agree.

But, men with a cross dressing fetish do not have dysphoria or if they do, it's irrelevant.

According to Stonewall, I am trans. I don't have gender dysphoria.

This is NOT about helping people with gender dysphoria.

It's a political movement and a misogyny magnet.

I know you know that. I'm not getting at you. I'm just fucking furious.

Also they are campaigning to have urinals installed in female toilets.

So much for dysphoria.

Thanks pencil. It didn't seem right although I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case I'm hoping it won't be a right cock up!

Interestingly, I searched for a synonym for colonising and it gave me

transplanting

No DrinkFeck, the GRA consultation starts in the autumn. They'll probably feed in the survey results though.

Will there be a sudden surgeon in men becoming women nearer pension age so they can retire sooner?

You're behind the times. That's already happening.

www.buzzfeed.com/patrickstrudwick/revealed-how-the-government-is-fighting-to-stop-trans-women?utm_term=.uhVmMxQB4#.ffvb7xoVa

Also they are campaigning to have urinals installed in female toilets.

So much for 'just a place to pee, you won't see anything! and nothing about colonising women's spaces to suit sexist men.

Datun, the government announcement is New Action to Promote LGBT Equality

It seems to include changes to the GRA, changes to the rules around when gay and bi men can give blood, as well as the survey for LGBT people.

The doublethink of announcing these at the same time, on the same page is quite breathtaking though.

That sirbwy had nothing to do with self-identification? Is that it?! Is it that consultation??

Transwomen are 49% more likely to have AIDS than the general population.

Which transwomen? I suppose Caitlyn Jenner and Danielle Muscato have a much lower risk than transwomen who actually got surgery and let men penetrate their pseudo-vaginas.

As for blood transfusion, they should just test all the blood they get. Relying on what people believe about themselves isn't safe. And that's assuming people are honest.

I can't believe this can go ahead without the government realising that this will create lots of problems. As well as the direct impact on women and girls this will impact of all sorts of statistics that are essential for delivering services.

For example, If you have enough people claiming to be women then all sorts of stats such rates for breast, ovarian or cervical cancer will be skewed as only biological women will have these condition making it look like a reduction has occurred and money or research could go elsewhere.

Will there be a sudden surgeon in men becoming women nearer pension age so they can retire sooner?

I don't understand what the blood transfusion has to do with trans-rights. Transwomen are 49% more likely to have AIDS than the general population. But I don't see why this is being discussed in the same breath as trans rights.

Unless it is another deliberate attempt to conflate the LGB, with the T and ride on their coattails.

Willow, the transfusion service already works on self identification. It's already utterly irrelevant. FOI here.

The main consultation on changes to the GRA starts in the autumn.

Interesting that in the same article on self identification the change in laws relating to gay men giving blood are also mentioned.

With no acknowledgement that is now utterly irrelevant if you can self identify.

Shouldn't they define the terms at the top?

lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender or intersex, or have a minority sexual orientation or gender identity

I feel like if you don't define what you mean by the terms, then it makes no sense anyway. By sensible people's definitions, I'm a straight woman - but by trans definitions, I'm trans (ie. I'm not happy with my gender as imposed) or agender (I don't have a gender identity - I just am)

Stig Abel is currently explaining on LBC that he can't see any issue with a man who "identifies as a woman" changing in the women's changing rooms.

(As, what else will be used because a survey alone isn't good practise to make policy).

Oh bugger, it's not a proper traditional consultation!!! www.gov.uk/government/consultations/national-lgbt-survey

I've completed the survey and used the free text at the end to say what I think. 500 words isn't enough.

I'm interested to know how this survey will be used so I'm going to find out who is leading the consultation to find out more.

@MumsnetHQ need to get themselves down as a key stakeholder for the govt consultation on this and get a group of people from here to support them.

I'll be contacting the consultation to register my interest.

This is terrifying and utterly crazy. Wear what you want, sleep with whom you want, have surgery, change your name, identify as male or female, live however you want to. However a biological male will always be a man and a biological female will always be a woman.

This is a nonsense piece of legislation packaged as being LGBT inclusive but which is actually just bat shit crazy. People already have the right to call themselves whatever the fuck they like, but this should absolutely not afford men the right to access women's spaces and vice versa. All this legislation will do is present a safeguarding nightmare and put women at risk.

Looking at BBC news app, 4 murders reported, 2 male victims, 2 female. All perpetrators male. A couple of weeks ago 3 women were killed by their male ex/partners over the space of about 4 days.

It's a great shame the government isn't doing more to address male violence which affects everyone.

Good point though Functional!

Apologies, huge cross post