Changing gender without any medical care/advice/opinion - just saying 'I'm a woman' and it being so

Can I share this here? Trans veteran responds to Trump with classic male threat. I've seen AuntySarah make a similar threat to someone they disagreed with - that their critic should "suck my formaldehyde pickled balls". It's just so rooted in male violence and male sexual dominance - these are the people that want to come into women's spaces. I find it difficult to cope with.

"Small Town Squirrel‏ @eternalkerri Jul 26

Seriously.

Trump can suck the Iraqi sand off my transgender veteran cock."

Datun will pm you

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Check out this thread for further groups who are as worried as you.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2988720-Facebook-group

Hoping the discussion about proposals to law continues and more women are informed, from what I have read in general press and on TV it seems that there is no clear explanation of the facts and only people making fun, such as, "I am what I feel I am" so people think that's ridiculous it will never happen and further commenting on what it means is shut down. I rarely use social media and only looked more deeply into the proposals because of a friends comment. I worry that there are loads of women like me who will not realise this is happening until the legislation has gone through.

I am so sad that women are under siege to such an extent in this day and age.

The only consolation is that this will make a wicked updating of 'The Handmaid's Tale'....

Thanks for posting the link to the survey. There's a couple of questions where you can add full text answers, which I have done - explaining that I see gender as being about how society enacts its expectations and as an individual I try and support people who wish to deviate from those stereotypes... and that gender identity is nonsense and regressive.

Thank you MN for enabling this discuss and thank god for all you posters who helped me articulate my discomfort with all this

I have only just started posting on mumsnet because having understood a bit more about the proposed changes to legislation I am appalled that to improve rights of one group it seems necessary to marginalise rights of another group. I have spoken to friends, signed petition and plan to write to my MP but I want to be involved in collective action as I think lone voices will be dismissed. If anyone knows of feminist or other groups that are against the proposals can you pm me please.

That video is incredibly depressing. Those university students don't seem to realise that there are such things as objective truths. I wonder what they study (hopefully not science).

I have completed the survey. We must all do what we can to fight for our rights. I am just aghast at these proposals. I am so sad that women are under siege to such an extent in this day and age. I will no longer feel comfortable going to my local pool changing room so I will be excluded from any places that previously were comfortable to me and other women...so wrong.

My reservations are entirely around the small number of areas where segregation by sex is appropriate - women's sports, women's shelters, women's prisons, and round issues of informed consent - it is unethical to trans children).

I think I can see useful discussion when it's focused like this - and other similar posts/threads.

I am uneasy around discussions that focus on the more fundamental elements, legislation and protection already in place.

Not that that should matter to anyone. Not expecting it to. Just sharing because I may be representative of average, not very well informed people who care and could get on board.

Also, if there is to be any impact it's surely more likely to be around these issues. It seems there is a short period to focus before the consultation is issued to get the right people in to the right places in terms of consultation.

"Noise" is good. It has its place. Father's for Justice created a window for groups like Families Need Father's to work with government. But well, for obvious reasons, protest from women in this subject is not going to matter like the voice of fathers.

@TheNoseyProject no problems! I was on my phone and not able to explain very well.

DJ are you in the FB thing?

Philip Davies was on the Women and Equalitites Committee, and he said the word 'women' should be removed from the title. He thinks feminists are zealots.
Maria Miller is a Conservative MP. She is no different from any of the other conservative women who are anti abortion. Its too much to expect them to listen, there is an agenda and they are playing it out.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/philip-davies-feminism-women-equalities-committee-renamed-remove-reference-a7558926.html

Here are some of the bills Tory MP Philip Davies has filibustered, they include bills to improve legislation on domestic violence.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/philip-davies-filibuster-domestic-violence-a7479266.html

puffpaw I read that article and thought the same. Strange days when I can agree with Spiked on an issue. And Brendan being a bloke and editing online mag is more likely to have his opinion heard than me.

What a strange new world we find ourselves in, when our allies are the people who we are fundamentally opposed to.
Yes, Brendan O Neill is not someone I would naturally align with I must say. But I did agree with much of the spiked article. I am finding well reasoned arguments that I agree with in the most unlikely places these days.
We are truly down the rabbit hole.

@walkintowork I feel the same. This will be law in Scotland in 2020 and there is no organised opposition. Political parties, voluntary orgs... I am totally silenced and cannot speak about it except with one woman friend when we are in my or her house. Confined to the domestic sphere like middle class ladies in centuries before.

Trump is a skidmark on the face of humanity, he really is (mind you, I have said all along that I have no problem whatsoever with defending trans people's right to employment, housing, access to services, freedom to go about their lives free from harrassment - that should be defended to the hilt. My reservations are entirely around the small number of areas where segregation by sex is appropriate - women's sports, women's shelters, women's prisons, and round issues of informed consent - it is unethical to trans children).

That video is quite a shocker. (Obviously it's been edited and they will have only stuck together segments from the complete muppets though - I'd love to have seen him interview an atheist who was switched on enough to work out what the guy's agenda was, and turned it round on him, and made the point that the Christian right thinks its belief system - anti abortion, anti teaching of evolution in schools - is equally deluded, and yet they, just like the identity politics muppets, want to impose the real world consequences of their crackpot beliefs on the rest of us).

Indominus And now we are going to be compared to FUCKING Trump for sending up for our rights

Yet Trump is the one championing "alternative facts". Like transactivists/supporters.

What I find incredible is that IME it's the same people who would happily really tear into "alternative facts" type thinking or religion, using science and known reality to make their point, who are just going along with this insanity.

Walking It's almost as if they've been virtue signalling all along (losing my faith in human nature emoji)

I've been thinking about this. I think an awful lot of outspoken political types* don't actually have a coherant worldview; it's more of a tribal thing. So for example, for myself I have an underlying worldview of "all humans are equal", which means naturally racism, sexism, disablism etc make no sense. Plus it will show in other ways, across the board. Whereas the people I'm talking about seem like they've just taken on board "racism (or whatever) is wrong" and run with that, without thinking why. And it shows, when they are dealing with people who may be disadvantaged or struggling but don't fit neatly into one of their chosen "ism's" to care about. There is also a hierachy of "ism's" - racism may trump sexism, for example. Anyway this means they will merrily join the cause of transactivism without applying critical thought, just seeking out any argument to further their cause, and ignoring less sexy causes that may conflict (ie. feminism).

[*White males tend to be worse for this, IME. Goes with the territory, I suppose.]

Exactly right cuirderussie.

I despair at the "liberal" men I see bleating on about this. Because I never hear them protesting about the relentless, relentless stories of men assaulting, raping and murdering women day after day. I can open any newspaper and see at least six horror stories, but they have no interest.

@weyhay sorry about my garbled mess of a poster up thread. I was trying to agree but dyslexia, frustration and my phone conspired to make what I wrote nonsense!

It reminds me of how women have always had to fight tooth and nail for every scrap of liberation. If all the men who claim to care about feminism really meant it, think what good they could be doing.

You are more generous than I. At the very least they're showing a complete lack of concern for women.

Yeah and I reckon they may not even be consciously aware that's what's driving them.

I'm genuinely sad because I consider them my gang, where I belong, and I agree with them on everything else. I daren't speak out

I can identify with this although I have a couple of close friends who agree with me. I'm not sure what's more frustrating, friends who are feminists who are on board with all this (dangerous) nonsense or boys who consider themselves great on matters of equality being so. On something of a similar note I do think a lot of such men revel in the issue as one which enables them to attack women/feminists who oppose it, a sort of acceptable platform for the misogyny which they'd been harbouring.