Son not welcome at sewing workshop

"I am sorry you felt attacked, OP, but I genuinely can't see why."

"I think it was pretty universal that her son should have been allowed to join. The conversation then broadened to other women only spaces and why........."

I think you are being a bit disingenuous here Bertrand. The OP came into a fair bit of grief early on about the idea that feminism shouldn't be interested because the affected party is a man, and suggesting that the OP is mendacious for posting. I was under the impression that is what you were implying as well?

Certainly several posters justified the OP's sons exclusion with the issue of women's safe spaces, rather than bringing it up in general terms.

I can see why the OP 'flounced', not everyone enjoys a bunfight. A few quotes to illustrate.

"Odd place to put this thread - it's not exactly women's rights..."

"Look for other classes."

"It is indeed quite an odd thread."

"Why is this thread in feminism?"

"OP, don't throw a tantrum........I am sure you can find a workshop where your son is welcome!"

"... there seem to have been a rush of threads about anti-man behaviour in the last day or so where the same thing has happened."

"Can't, women can't have anything for themselves."

"Why don't you or your son set up your own sewing club"

"I don't think the OP is in good faith" x2

"Is that you Donald?"

"Blimey,Chery, that's revolutionary stuff! hmm Glad you remembered the "women hust need to be nicer" trope....."

"Maybe there's still space in the brew your own beer workshop if you get in quick?"

"The thread has really pissed me off. The total destruction of women only spaces.........."

"really op? Shall we all visit beauty salons and wear pretty dresses before asking nicely for feminist issues to be addressed once the men have finished dealing with complex and important man topics?"

"This thread is utterly ludicrous.....with signature excessive ellipsis use."

"You'd get a very different reception on feminist threads where you are willing to talk about women's rights. FYI."

How can one do this?

NoLove by overcoming fear and using our strength. Being able and prepared to report abuses. By being strong enough to speak out. Supporting each other in this. Seeking support unilaterally, from men and women, who can add their number to condemn abuse.

I see the existence of single 'safe' sex spaces, as indicative of a lack of the general safety for women, not as something which provides safety

If you see they exist due to the lack of safety for women how can you not see them as providing safety? It's also not for anyone else to dictate to women and girls who feel the need for such a space, such as refuges or rape crisis centres.

I would suggest that this was an educational service open to females only and was not suitable for an 18 year old male adult to attend. It was an educational service

Again, that is ILLEGAL, and was not advertised as women only. Do you not understand the illegal bit?

Lass, yeah, I see the existence of single 'safe' sex spaces, as indicative of a lack of the general safety for women, not as something which provides safety.

An equal, unsegregated, society, which values men and women equally, is the best provides the best safety IMO.

Other than by fighting misogyny and a culture which views women as primarily existing for sexual gratification that is.

And if this vulnerability extends to not being capable of attending this particular course where the 18 year old is there with his mother and sister the logical extreme is we might as well adopt principles applied in Saudi or Afghanistan.

And now we introduce ludicrous to the extreme.

All women can do is to seek to overcome their vulnerability to them.

How can one do this?

Goods and services but not education?

I would suggest that this was an educational service open to females only and was not suitable for an 18 year old male adult to attend. It was an educational service.

You can't. All women can do is to seek to overcome their vulnerability to them. It is risky but without doing this women will remain victims

And if this vulnerability extends to not being capable of attending this particular course where the 18 year old is there with his mother and sister the logical extreme is we might as well adopt principles applied in Saudi or Afghanistan.

Eton is permitted to exist under UK legislation for the same reason single sex girls' school exist. Personally I disagree with the provision of single sex and religious based education.

It is not however generally permitted to discriminate on the basis of sex in the provision of goods and services unless a need exists.

There is nothing to suggest a need exists in this particular case.

And if you think it's such a ludicrous thread, why take part in it? Or more accurately, why trample all over it and try and make it into something else?

You clearly want to talk about Eton, so start a thread about that. Don't hijack someone elses thread.

What is ludicrous is a discussion about one male adult (18) who was not allowed into a one day sewing event which was attended by females

Why ludicrous, Elendon? Any group perpetuating gender stereotypes has further reaching consequences than the OP's son.

There is nothing ludicrous, theoretical or extreme about Eton

Well actually there is a lot ludicrous about Eton, but the problem is you shoehorning it into this thread for no good reason.

What is ludicrous is a discussion about one male adult (18) who was not allowed into a one day sewing event which was attended by females

Why is that ludicrous? Why shouldnt' we talk about illegal sex discrimination?

How can one differentiate between the men who aren't abusers and those who are, or are potential abusers?

You can't. All women can do is to seek to overcome their vulnerability to them. It is risky but without doing this women will remain victims.

There is nothing ludicrous, theoretical or extreme about Eton.

What is ludicrous is a discussion about one male adult (18) who was not allowed into a one day sewing event which was attended by females.

I've said it before, no outrage, Elendon. Just explaining my perspective.

Can you not concentrate on the discussion at hand? Eton has no bearing on the question of the thread at all.

This is a common problem in the feminist chat topic, everyone has to take every single question to ludicrous theoretical extremes. Practical and simple queries get lost in the pontificating and the trying to look clever.

Single sex public schools couldn't be less relevant.

If there's no need for single sex anything then why aren't male feminists out there getting this sorted?

Because they are comfortable in their privileged position?

No one is saying Eton is great. All one is saying is that Eton is exclusive to males only. Where's the outrage?

Sorry TooSexy

What ? If you go to Eton a sewing workshop may not be suitable for you?

On what basis is a one day sewing workshop, not advertised as intended to meet any special needs, beyond probably a lack of basic sewing skills, not suitable?

This is just going round in circles and going nowhere.

Why isn't Eton admitting girls then? Why isn't that suitable? NotSexy

Who here, think Eton is great, Elendon? I personally Public Schools like this are some of the most socially divisive institutions in this country. Their only saving grace, is that from a libertarian perspective, people can choose to provide this type of education for their male children, who pass the entrance exam, if they can afford to do so.

If there's no need for single sex anything then why aren't male feminists out there getting this sorted? Come on men. Just do it!