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Jeremy Corbyn speaks about trans rights

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MacaroonMama · 19/07/2017 10:45

Haven't posted on this board before but I do read it often - sorry if I get the link wrong.

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jul/19/let-trans-people-self-identify-gender-corbyn-urges-may

So do we need to remind Jeremy Corbyn that while supporting all minorities is important, it should NOT be bought at the price of women's rights being eroded and women's funding being cut and women's spaces being invaded?

A while back, I wrote to my MP about that private members' bill changing 'sex' to 'gender' as a protected characteristic, but he didn't reply (third time! useless!) - what is happening with that?

I am going to write again to my MP and maybe Corbyn too.

What do people think? I don't dislike Corbyn at all, And I honestly do wonder if it is a bit of trans rights being much more fashionable than women's rights!

(Please note I do not want to offend anyone, I just am worried about the rights of women and girls in our society today.)

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DJBaggySmalls · 19/07/2017 16:05

Jeremy Corbyn and Maria Miller should abolish primogeniture, and allow women and FTM trans men to inherit the family peerage.

Collidascope · 19/07/2017 16:00

Helen Lewis is great. She's done a few very good gender critical articles.

AssignedMentalAtBirth · 19/07/2017 15:52

Helen Lewis from the New Statesman

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/07/jeremy-corbyn-right-trans-people-should-be-allowed-self-identify-their-gender

AssignedMentalAtBirth · 19/07/2017 15:22

This is great

bannedbytrans.wordpress.com/read-first-introduction/ and follow the link to the full article

OddBoots · 19/07/2017 15:18

So the people pushing this either think

a) It is more likely that women would claim to be men to get an inheritance of some kind in favour of first born men than men would claim to be women for sexual gratification from the access of women's spaces and women.

Or

b) Women getting the inheritance given to a first born male is wrong but men using unwilling women for sexual gratification is okay.

sticklebrix · 19/07/2017 15:16

Plenty of misogyny evident on the right and the left IMO. The right are just less concerned about putting it on display.

Callmejudith · 19/07/2017 14:41

I have lurked on these threads for an age but this has made my blood boil. I have replied to Corbyn on Twitter and written to my MP. Absolutely ludicrous.

Elendon · 19/07/2017 14:28

Last post.

If anyone thinks that an 'I'm all right Jack' attitude is confined to the Tory party, then they are very much deluded.

Elendon · 19/07/2017 14:25

I agree with Collidascope. But it's not just females within Young Labour (there is Labour Women, you might be confused), it's men too. Especially the men.

Elendon · 19/07/2017 14:23

Nulabour - what are you? A hangover from the noughties? Next you'll be bringing up Bliarites. (see what I did there?)

Elendon · 19/07/2017 14:20

But Corbyn is not a socialist. Okay?

Elendon · 19/07/2017 14:19

regarding the links, prostitution in Nevada has not been outlawed for two centuries now.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Nevada

olliegarchy99 · 19/07/2017 14:15

elendon
Great hijack of the thread to attack socialism
it is a labour party (namely Corbyn) who is 'urging' and 'demanding' the legitimate government to bend to his will.

That is not a hijack of the thread in which the title mentions Jeremy Corbyn - Hmm
Next he will maintain he really 'won' the election.
It is telling that the 2004 act was under the auspices of nulabour.

Collidascope · 19/07/2017 14:10

Seems Caroline Flint tried to raise the issue regarding men in women's bathrooms and was called on to apologise by Young Labour Women. This is what's so infuriating. No debate. Someone brave sticks their head above the parapet and all hell breaks lose. 'They're transphobic, it's hate speech, literal violence.'

Elendon · 19/07/2017 14:09

I will agree that left wing misogynists exists. But why should misogyny be the default of the right?

AssignedMentalAtBirth · 19/07/2017 13:59

This is an interesting article on left wing misogyny

medium.com/@zacharygeorgenajariannajafi/misogyny-is-revisionism-part-1-on-the-lefts-woman-problem-22984b49675b

Elendon · 19/07/2017 13:57

Great hijack of the thread to attack socialism, as if it was the preserve of men only, even men who transition to be women.

Capitalism is based on the premise of gender differences and gender stereotypes.

SylviaPoe · 19/07/2017 13:57

Politicians must now. Someone in these political parties must have read the evidence submitted by psychologists, prisoner charities and prison staff. They must be aware of the intent of the men in question and the danger it puts women in.

They know and they don't care. What other explanation can there be?

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 19/07/2017 13:53

I am both surprised and upset

I was, probably still am, a member of the Labour Party. I am not in the least bit surprised.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 19/07/2017 13:51

Excellent summing up of Corbyn Karlos

Here's the lead singer of poster NoLove's favourite band endorsing him.

www.google.co.uk/amp/amp.timeinc.net/nme/news/music/wolf-alice-play-tories-out-march-2097269%3fsource=dam

( sorry NoLove, but I've rolled my eyes several times at stuff Ellie Rowsell has come out with about Corbyn)

AssignedMentalAtBirth · 19/07/2017 13:50

Because men will always be men. Even when they're women.

Bows to Datun.

Ktown · 19/07/2017 13:49

Someone explain what gender means please?
I am not interested in opinion just facts so for me there are males females and intersex. What happened to biological sex?
I would also like Jeremy's to answer the following: a male, who identifies as a woman rapes a woman and goes to prison. Which prison?
A male runner who identifies as a woman wants to play sport. In which sex team?

Datun · 19/07/2017 13:45

And yes the illegality of a woman identifying as a man, inheriting the title and taking her seat in the House of Lords is one of the things that peaked me all over again.

The feminist viewpoint of patriarchy been a means of establishing a bloodline and passing property down from father to son is alive and well in the trans ideology. Because men will always be men. Even when they're women.

Datun · 19/07/2017 13:40

Walkingtowork

Of your reasons, I think the first one is the most prevalent. Although it's a mixture of all three, generally.

Many people will genuinely flinch at the words patriarchy and female oppression, but then go on to agree with male chauvinism, and now you're talking!

For me there are two sides to this. The ideology is intrinsically sexist. I like women stuff, therefore I must be a woman.

But the second part of it is that autogynephiles now seem to outnumber genuine transsexuals ten to one.

Anyone who agrees with the ideology, has clearly spent no time online. The rape threats, threats of violence and abuse are endemic.

People who don't give a shit about women and don't understand the oppression of them, might just be able to get their head around the ideology, but there is no excuse for not understanding how that has been hijacked by a very violent and misogynistic cohort who will exploited it as much as they can.

And that cohort are wholly representative.