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Teen Vogue article

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NoLoveofMine · 16/07/2017 03:16

Someone has "Tweeted" defending "that" Teen Vogue article. I don't really know the point of me starting this thread - just wanted somewhere to vent. She has done it in response to people criticising it and said that teenagers would have anal sex regardless and that the article could be educational.

I'm quite upset.

[MNHQ have edited the title and the OP very slightly due to privacy concerns].

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GinaFordCortina · 16/07/2017 22:03

The sort of furtive sex that most teenagers are engaging in is not conducive to anal. I can't think of anything more horrifying that a 14-16 year old girl having to learn to take it in the ass from a horny teen boy. That's going to be enjoyable for one person and a recipe for internal injury for the other.

I'd like an article that says:

"This isn't as common as porn would let you believe and completely ill advised for a young woman discovering her sexuality and really unlikely at this point to give you any kind of orgasm, so what's the point?"

GinaFordCortina · 16/07/2017 21:56

Alsonis teen vogue for boys now? Or do girls need to learn how they should wank to better help there too?

GinaFordCortina · 16/07/2017 21:55

When you click on "Gigi's" name you get anociturenofnher in her bras. There's also a link to "how to masterbate if you've got a penis" is Gigi a woman or the bepenised sort?

Datun · 16/07/2017 21:33

but nothing that actually tackles female sexually.

Because it's not important. Because, astonishingly, having an orgasm may not, just may not, have to involve a penis. Because I need a roadmap and flashlight to find a woman's clitoris. Because you can't just rub it up and down for five minutes like a normal sexual organ.

And anyway, what's in it for me, amirite?

BasketOfDeplorables · 16/07/2017 20:50

Anal sex has to be way down the list of things to try when you don't have much sexual experience. Teen Vogue has 'how to masturbate if you have a penis' but I scrolled as far as I could and couldn't find anything comparable for women.

The fashion and beauty section is heavily skewed in favour of young women, leading me to believe this is their target audience. Yet the sexual health and identity section barely covers them at all, and I couldn't see anything that actually had fulfilling sex for women as a topic - abortion, periods, assault, yes, but nothing that actually tackles female sexually.

BigDeskBob · 16/07/2017 20:45

US titles Cosmo girl and seventeen have readers averaging mid twenties too, so I think maybe teens wouldn't buy them anyway. I'm sure my sister was about 14 when she read Just 17, 'though it did have very different content. Grin

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 16/07/2017 20:42

Link to the guardian article www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/media/2017/feb/25/teen-vogue-readers-consider-themselves-activists

What a pile of tosh- both the Guardian article and Teen Vogue.

"Poloitical" now means nothing more than "Ooh I can say rude things about Trump and all those ignorant people who voted for him" whilst having no real idea or understanding of why people voted for him. But - hey are so "woke".

Georgiaokeefespansy · 16/07/2017 20:38

@BigDeskBob
So so true and utterly demoralising and depressing. I've seen it throughout my career - became more obvious the older I got.... but also see it everywhere outside work - how friends interact with their husbands and children, the mums at school. Brainwashing. The article that someone posted earlier (Datun I think - and thank you very much for doing so) says it very well - I'll repost the link

www.oculusmundi.com/boys-will-be-almost-exactly-like-girls-it-turns-out-now-how-to-get-people-to-believe-the-science.html

BasketOfDeplorables · 16/07/2017 20:31

I agree that they should drop the word teen if their target audience is adults.

In the UK at least, something with teen in the title would be more likely appeal to younger teens and preteens. The language in the article is also quite young.

BigDeskBob · 16/07/2017 20:30

"Is this Stockholm Syndrome?"

Its women and girls not being allowed to say no to men. That's what this anal sex article is saying - don't say no until you know you don't like it, try in once, maybe twice or p'hps you aren't doing it right, try these tips. Its the same at your work, men don't like women talking together, so rather than say no, they "bring them along". Women and girls are taught to compromised, even when there is nothing in it for them.

Georgiaokeefespansy · 16/07/2017 20:11

The point on feminism meaning rights for all ..... I work for a large international company. Our Women's Society has been renamed Balance. Because we want to bring the men along with us in our journey - we wouldn't want to scare them off or make them feel left out. After all, we don't hate men. This has been said to me quite a few times by some of my female colleagues in response to me questioning what the fuck is the point of the women's Society/network. The head of this network is a woman who has publicly said that she would never call herself a feminist (no shit). The name changing decision was taken by the female committee. Is this Stockholm Syndrome? I'm not being entirely facaetious ... how does this happen??

BigDeskBob · 16/07/2017 20:11

Smile No, I didn't take it like that.

I've just spent a bit of time investigating teen vogue and teen magazines in general. It seems that, in the US at least, magazine have problems maintaining teen readerships and end up attracting readers in their mid twenties. Which is fine, but if they want to have this sort of content, I think they should drop the "teen"

BasketOfDeplorables · 16/07/2017 19:34

BigDeskBob I didn't mean to sound like I was questioning you there, if that's how it came across, only that I'd doubt their impression of their readership if they aren't able to back that up. Sorry, just realised my post was ambiguous.

Datun · 16/07/2017 19:27

Looks like the editor is just as clueless about the word teen as he is about feminism.

And flips the finger to anyone who disagrees.

Nice.

'Teen' is, by definition 13-19. 19 year olds will consider themselves too old. 11 year olds will consider themselves old enough.

BasketOfDeplorables · 16/07/2017 19:25

I know plenty of women in their early twenties who read Vogue, I doubt most would bother with Teen Vogue. Surely 18-24 is a bit off.

BigDeskBob · 16/07/2017 19:22

I've just been looking at teen vogues site, and was confused about the readership it's trying to attract. It has an article about tattoos next to one about Disney princesses Confused

According to a guardian feature, they see their readership as 18-24 year olds who are genderless. (An, admittedly old, survey said the median age is 24)

Looks like the editor is just as clueless about the word teen as he is about feminism.

BasketOfDeplorables · 16/07/2017 19:16

I don't understand how this article could be published in a magazine for teenage girls. It is not from the perspective of a teenage girl, and merely touches on female enjoyment.

I don't think anal sex is a subject that teen vogue should avoid, but given that we know:
Most girls don't enjoy it
Most girls do it under pressure
Boys want to do it because of the influence of porn, and porn misrepresents female pleasure
Most girls are given information about PIV sex only from the point of view of avoiding pregnancy and STIs
Most girls are not given information about what they may actually enjoy - I have scrolled through the sexual health and identity section and didn't see anything

Then I think that there are lots of ways to cover it that would be more relevant to the readership.

Non prostate owner and vagina owner are horrible.

Datun · 16/07/2017 19:09

That picture I posted had 10,000 likes. Ten fucking thousand. Don't tell me this is not a wholesale erosion of women (without clitorises).

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 16/07/2017 19:03

feminism is liberation not just for women, but for people in general

No it isnt Hmm

Clue is in the fucking name

Datun · 16/07/2017 18:09

Today 17:17 SerendipityFelix

Ok, that's just bloody rude.

GrinGrin see - we do agree !

NoLoveofMine · 16/07/2017 17:39

Oh my goodness, that reply is horrendous. Absolutely no care or concern for the culture he and his magazine are contributing to amongst young girls. Oh, and how fortunate we are to have a man to explain to us what feminism is for - some of us were probably mistakenly concentrating on women when we should be attempting to liberate everyone (preferably men first I imagine, though from what I'm not sure).

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Datun · 16/07/2017 17:26

If you want to write an article for young questioning boys, put it on one of the zillion LGBT websites, or into a men's health magazine.

Don't 'market' the whole premise to 13 year old girls.

And no wonder it was all about prostate owners and non-prostate owners and the clitoris was nowhere to be seen.

And don't even think of hiding behind your gay credentials, either. I am a mother and I have absolutely no problem calling you out.

And in case anybody is in any doubt, I am fully supportive of the LGB community.

MargeryFenworthy · 16/07/2017 17:25

Absolutely it is promoting it. Why can't it be an article about saying no and feeling ok about it? It is frankly a hideous state of affairs when people think it is ok that thirteen year olds are encouraged partake in this particular activity that is, let us not forget, disliked by three quarters of women. Let's be honest here, penises don't belong in anuses.

Datun · 16/07/2017 17:20

I swear to God, if I hear one more fucking person say that feminism is about the rights of everybody...

No it isn't. Fem, fem, FEM!