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Paris Lees article re: Ldn underground

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Ekphrasis · 14/07/2017 20:03

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/14/tfl-scrapping-ladies-and-gentlemen-gender-public-toilets?CMP=fb_gu

I'm exhausted and read half asleep - can't make head nor tale if this article.

Confused sex with gender?

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Ekphrasis · 15/07/2017 11:43

That one annoyed me.

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Ekphrasis · 15/07/2017 11:43

Bringing a child up gender free is not the same thing as unisex toilets.

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OlennasWimple · 15/07/2017 11:29

On Twitter PL is asking for votes in the upcoming Diversity in Media awards. Don't think that article is going to help the campaign to be BEst Journalist much, being a terrible bit of writing

She also describes herself as a queer kid from a council estate, which is an interesting choice of words

Datun · 15/07/2017 10:33

It never ceases to amaze me how men do not see.

They just don't. They give themselves away time, after time.

Sometimes I think that feminism really is a higher evolved form of being!

QuentinSummers · 15/07/2017 10:25

It's quite interesting how Paris has written it.
This is a huge giveaway about what trans ideology actually means:
"Do I think we are going to do away with gender completely? No. Do I think people are going to suddenly stop wearing suits and high heels and having names that are considered to be masculine or feminine and all the rest of it? No. Would I want to live in that world? No. I quite like gender."

So Paris has no inkling that women might not "quite like gender" and the constraints it puts on us. Yes, I wear heels just to signify people should treat me as lesser. I love it Hmm

Ekphrasis · 15/07/2017 10:23

I knew I could rely on you lot to help me work out why my gut knew it was rubbish when my mind couldn't!

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Datun · 15/07/2017 09:33

"Perhaps TfL could compromise and start their announcements with Ladies , Gentlemen and Narcissists?"

I think they've nailed it there.

OlennasWimple · 15/07/2017 09:24

As an aside, why did the article need to be illustrated with a picture where you can clearly see through the top of the woman at the front of the carriage? I'm pretty certain it's only see through because of the flash on the camera, not because she chose to dress that way.

shinynewusername · 15/07/2017 09:22

The comments are hilarious. No one buys this crap.

Datun · 15/07/2017 09:14

I suspect there are, aside from the obvious, some innate differences between men and women, but society exaggerates these differences through strict roles and rules to the point of caricature – to the detriment of women and sexual minorities in particular but, ultimately, oppressing everyone.

Sneaky, sneaky. Tch.

Society does not exaggerate biological differences. It assigns a role to those differences. Gender.

What is this article is trying to do is to eliminate biological differences, by agreeing that gender is superficial.

We see you.

Ekphrasis · 15/07/2017 09:09

(Well, most of the guardian comments.)

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Ekphrasis · 15/07/2017 09:02

*correcting my OP to head nor tail.

But it's a tall tale really.

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Ekphrasis · 15/07/2017 09:01

I saw this on fb; interestingly the comments are less intelligent initially and clearly caught up in the non binary movement.

I'm impressed with the guardian comments. Thank god.

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OlennasWimple · 15/07/2017 08:54

I used to think that PL could at least write, even if I disagreed with what was being written. But this is just unintelligible bollocks!

Fortunately most of the commentators agree

WhattheChuff · 15/07/2017 08:15

What a muddled load of horseshit.

First "Gender is dead, kaput" then its "on a spectrum" that in the first few lines. Make up your mind, dear.

That "newspaper" cant really be serious publishing incoherent, rambling nonsense articles like this.

Luckily the comments are overwhelming calling BS on it.

BasketOfDeplorables · 15/07/2017 07:53

Appearing androgynous is simply not achieveable for me. I have had very short hair, and dressed in jeans and t shirts for a manual job, but being 5'1" with large breasts I will never be mistaken for a man.

This was also the time I experienced the most street harassment, as I often travelled home from work late at night. Being alone and out while men are drunk are much more important risk factors for harassment and violence than appearance in my experience.

Datun · 15/07/2017 07:42

Course it is. This is all about how other people treat you, based on your own feelings.

I admit, if you actually can't tell if someone is male or female, then you might have a point. But only up to a point. Women will still need to access reproductive health and all the rights that go with that.

Unless people everywhere are able to completely disguise their sex, having an inner feeling that they are neither male or female won't make the smallest difference to their lives if they're basing it on how others treat them.

Ekphrasis · 15/07/2017 07:35

Not just me then Grin

I could pick the whole thing apart but have better things to do!

I do think the comment that going non binary helps violence against women is naive and damaging - and an oxymoron.

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Datun · 15/07/2017 07:08

The commenters aren't having any of it.

Idly wondering whether a non binary person can get pregnant and making dirty remarks about each other's gender fluid.

Then praising Lees for their accurate reporting of "While it’s easy to automatically dismiss this sort of thing as frivolous nonsense..."

Brilliant.

I suspect Lees was automatically asked to write an article about gender neutrality, despite not understanding that Lees is probably vehemently opposed to it, as it does not fit the trans-narrative.

Hence a load of unintelligible bollocks.

NoLoveofMine · 15/07/2017 01:10

Absolute nonsense. If you're a woman you're a woman. If you're a boy you're a boy. Biology is biology.

MorrisZapp · 15/07/2017 01:07

Love the comments, heartening to see gender critical views allowed to stand.

Lees is surely taking the piss. 44% recognise that gender is a spectrum? My arse they do. I'd love to see the questions and interviewees that provided that stat.

NoLoveofMine · 15/07/2017 01:01

I was called transphobic for saying this tonight..............by a boy Grin

NoLoveofMine · 15/07/2017 01:01

He's a fucking idiot.

FeckinCrutches · 15/07/2017 00:54

Paris Lee is a massive bellend. I think that may clear things up.

BasketOfDeplorables · 15/07/2017 00:47

... so why not just say hello everybody?

It's barely a tweet, let alone an article. If it was funny, then fine, but it's just a bit waffling.

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