London Underground to make all their announcement 'gender neutral'

Perhaps we should try anyway, biscuit. Now would be the perfect time to point it out.

I don't mind 'Ladies and Gentlemen' at all - they're a pair - it's not quite got the same patronising connotations as a waiter coming up to a table and asking us 'ladies' what we would like to drink (and TBH, even then, it's more the manner than the word - I've had waiters and waitresses who've used it in such a way as to not grate on the nerves)

Guys also rubs me up the wrong way. I read, somewhere, a post where a woman tried using 'Girl' or 'Girls' whenever she'd been called a 'guy' in the same conversation, and the men she used it two ranged from baffled to insulted to angry. It wasn't enlightening (anyone here could have predicted it), but it was quite funny

Stonewall are a fucking embarrassment. Anyone who needs to be validated by having the recorded tube voice acknowledge their special gender needs urgent professional intervention.

I know its not gender neutral but most restaurants seem to think that
guy Is the best word to use

I hate "guy". I am not a guy.

L and G doesn't particularly bother me. The new wording doesn't particularly bother me either.

However, I completely agree with what YetAnotherSpartacus said:

so much sexist language still exists and women are ridiculed or ignored when they point this out, yet as soon as an issue of language affects a trans person then it is OMGWTFBBQ we must CHANGE. Plus it is yet more public acknowledgement of a lot of the twaddle peddled by that movement.

datun

I know its not gender neutral but most restaurants seem to think that

Guy

Is the best word to us

I like the phrase ladies and gentlemen as well

I don't mind scrapping the connotations that go with 'ladies' that don't appear to apply to gentlemen.

But it doesn't address the problem, at all. It's catering to the 75-gender-millennials and their woefully superficial stance on gender identity. Nothing to do with sexism.

As an aside, is there a gender neutral term for sir and madam?

I'm thinking of the service industry, particularly. Restaurants, shops, etc.

If you were trying to find a way around addressing somebody when those terms apply, is there a gender neutral equivalent?

Given the context of the change I think it's bloody ridiculous and I agree with Spartacus. Seems like when ever us women have a problem with something people fight against change but when it's something to do with the trans community people fall over themselves to make them feel 'comfortable'.

It stinks.

I loathe ladies and gentleman. It sounds so old-fashioned and didn't it once just refer to the upper clarses?

In the context of TFL announcements, I'd prefer 'everyone', 'passengers' or 'travellers'.

Having said that, I'm also aware that so much sexist language still exists and women are ridiculed or ignored when they point this out, yet as soon as an issue of language affects a trans person then it is OMGWTFBBQ we must CHANGE. Plus it is yet more public acknowledgement of a lot of the twaddle peddled by that movement.

I saw this and thought I don't like this because I actually like "ladies and gentlemen".

But it is not that long ago I remember being almost the sole voice on here saying I didn't have any problem with that salutation; that it is a salutation I use when I give a public talk. The general consensus was " don't call us ladies"

World has gone insane!!!

Fucking Stonewall strike again.