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Andy Murray having to remind sports journalists (again) that women exist

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SueMacartney · 12/07/2017 19:22

https://mobile.twitter.com/jamiemacc_/status/885189154128224257

From his post-match interview after losing to Querrey today.

He's called out journalists before and no doubt will have to again. (Side note - does any other high profile male do this? In any field?) Relieved to hear it wasn't John Inverdale this time.

It's just struck me though, these journalists have sat and followed the women's matches because that's their job and they know who's won what, who's in which match, the stats etc and yet STILL they completely disregard them.

How can we increase the prominence of women's sport to the wider public if the journalists themselves, who are one of the links between the public and the sport, write female athletes off as irrevelant? Just reinforces the message that they're not important.

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userblahblahwhatever · 13/07/2017 12:18

I love the way he did it, hilarious!
Just I. A way that wasn't rude but had undertones of 'you ignorant twat!'

chickensandbees · 13/07/2017 12:14

I wish we could give him some award. Do Mumsnet do annual awards for people that we could vote on, if not they should MNHQ?

NoLoveofMine · 13/07/2017 12:14

he gets just as much grief for his feminism as women do

He definitely doesn't. Whilst it's not universal praise, the vast majority of the reactions on social media are praising him. Also - and I'm guilty of this as well - many women praise men such as him far more for challenging sexism than if a woman did it, with them attaining heroic status simply for doing so (which they'd not be able to if other men weren't sexist). As I said I understand why this happens as unfortunately men challenging sexism is vital and I think I do the same not only with stories like this but boys I know too.

Women challenging sexism are met with all the responses Popchyck outlined and more, with some general abuse thrown in as well. The reaction is completely different.

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 13/07/2017 12:12

"he gets just as much grief for his feminism as women do."

I think not.

I was referring to the comments below the articles I was reading! Unless you've read exactly the same articles as I have, how the hell do you know? Confused

SueMacartney · 13/07/2017 12:08

Totally agree with last 3 posters. Hasn't contorted himself for the media/PR at all and these days that's very rare.

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LoisWilkersonsLastNerve · 13/07/2017 11:55

I like him for not fawing to and performing for the media in general but that clip was bloody brilliant. It's a shame it needed to be said at all in this day and age.

alltouchedout · 13/07/2017 11:53

I often wonder why so many people are so negative about him. He's one of tennis's best (certainly one of Britain's best ever) players, he never bloody gives up, he does things like go through an almost embarrassingly one sided public defeat and then agree to play exhibition tennis at the same tournament the next day so that fans are not left with nothing to see when the match they had tickets for is cancelled, he's drily funny, he refuses to play the inane bouncy media game, and he is consistently and genuinely feminist- in a way that makes it clear that he is bemused by those are not. So he doesn't smile as much as some people like and he gets cross with himself during matches? That pales beside all the good things about him.

(Also, a friend of a friend works for him and I hear nothing but good. Apparently he is a supportive and generous employer and a very decent and kind man. So there.)

KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 13/07/2017 11:49

I actually think he doesn't give a shit about being liked. He cares about being the best and doing what's right. I totally respect that. He has what old fashioned people like me call moral fibre.

StormTreader · 13/07/2017 11:46

The ripple of laughter afterwards really annoys me - it's like the whole room of male journalists all had a moment of "Oh yes, recognising women exist is kind of your THING isnt it Andy? How cute you are about it all, haha". There should have been a moment of awkward silence as the sexism was recognised, not a giggle of "oh yes, arent we NAUGHTY".

SueMacartney · 13/07/2017 11:44

Thanks derxa. Reading that he also had to defend criticisms about Amelie Mauresmo, who was his coach around that time.

Maybe once he's retired he can just go round press conferences calling out bullshit? Not as lucrative as after-dinner speaking or endorsements, I know, but still...

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Bejazzled · 13/07/2017 11:43

And the fact that everyone passes opinion on Kim's clothes etc.

YY, even on the actual match thread on the BBC yesterday one of the commentators "my mum had that coat in the 70s" on a picture of Kim watching the match.

I love him anyway and, he doesn't do it to be pc and get 'likes' - he dies it because it's what he believes and it's natural to him.

OlennasWimple · 13/07/2017 11:41

There was a good, similar situation recently where the Indian women's captain pushed back with a (male) journo who asked her who her favourite men's player was. As she right pointed out, no-one asks the men who their favourite women's player is

The response on Twitter was mostly positive, but (from an unscientific squizz through) there were far more "why is she getting uppity, it's a fair question" type comments than Sir Andy has received

toomuchtooold · 13/07/2017 11:38

It was brilliant. And like someone said upthread, the fact that he sounds pissed off - he sounds tired of it. He's not virtue signalling, he's not trying to be a good guy, he just is a good guy, and because it's fucking tiresome bullshit.

Spudlet · 13/07/2017 11:35

Bloody good for Andy Murray, but oh god, isn't it so tiring that he or anyone else still has to do this?

SueMacartney · 13/07/2017 11:29

I think he has also defended Kim, when they made such a fuss about her swearing at Berdych (? - can't 100% remember who it was).

And the fact that everyone passes opinion on Kim's clothes etc.

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derxa · 13/07/2017 11:22

I love him.

WhereYouLeftIt · 13/07/2017 11:14

Proud mamma - and rightly so.

Andy Murray having to remind sports journalists (again) that women exist
Passmethewine88 · 13/07/2017 11:09

Madison's keys isn't white but coco vandeweghe is, so the point still rings true.

BertrandRussell · 13/07/2017 11:00

"he gets just as much grief for his feminism as women do."

I think not.

PoochSmooch · 13/07/2017 10:50

Yes, Male Chauvinist Pig. I'm reviving it Grin

Popchyck · 13/07/2017 10:49

"He gets just as much grief for his feminism as women do".

Oh, I sincerely doubt that, TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross.

MasterOfDisguise · 13/07/2017 10:47

I've never been an Andy fan, as much as I think he's a phenomenal tennis player and I do enjoy watching him play. But, his championing of women is awesome and it truly does make me love him for it. It's so selfless, he has nothing to gain from it. I have enormous respect for him as a result, and I'm starting to think he might be very interesting to have at the table in a fantasy evening at the pub scenario Grin

newbian · 13/07/2017 10:47

If Serena, Venus and Sloane Stephens were the only other US players to reach a semi-final, then sure - sexist and racist. But they're not, as other posters have pointed out. Coco Vandeweghe reached the semi-finals of the Australian Open, for example, as has Madison Keyes.

Madison Keys isn't white!

BigGreenOlives · 13/07/2017 10:46

Male chauvinist pig

It was a popular expression in the 1970s & 1980s. Very useful. Not sure when it stopped being widely used (lived abroad in 90s/Cool Britannia era).

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