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Andy Murray having to remind sports journalists (again) that women exist

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SueMacartney · 12/07/2017 19:22

https://mobile.twitter.com/jamiemacc_/status/885189154128224257

From his post-match interview after losing to Querrey today.

He's called out journalists before and no doubt will have to again. (Side note - does any other high profile male do this? In any field?) Relieved to hear it wasn't John Inverdale this time.

It's just struck me though, these journalists have sat and followed the women's matches because that's their job and they know who's won what, who's in which match, the stats etc and yet STILL they completely disregard them.

How can we increase the prominence of women's sport to the wider public if the journalists themselves, who are one of the links between the public and the sport, write female athletes off as irrevelant? Just reinforces the message that they're not important.

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NoLoveofMine · 13/07/2017 22:24

Whilst I find it somewhat galling that men are often lauded for challenging sexism and given huge praise by women for doing so - as I mentioned in this thread and something I do myself - I think Andy Murray does deserve praise as he clearly notices this issue and cares, doesn't seek praise for doing so but simply wants to stand up against sexism as he consistently does.

SueMacartney · 13/07/2017 22:22

I don't think it is the norm Assigned, hence the woohooing.

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AssignedMentalAtBirth · 13/07/2017 22:15

Why are we woohooing? He is a decent man. That's the normal

We hope

Notknownatthisaddress · 13/07/2017 22:03

Very impressed by Mr M! Well done that man. Grin

KickAssAngel · 13/07/2017 20:57

orlantina I agree.

Let's face, ALL tennis players benefit from having stars that get media attention, so the Williams sisters have helped to raise the profile of the sport overall, not just for women. Which makes it doubly crap that they get ignored when a journalist is interviewing a white man, as if there haven't been these 2 players who have managed to get more of a spotlight on tennis.

orlantina · 13/07/2017 20:02

Looking forward a woman being taken seriously and praised when she highlights everyday sexism.

Instead of being dismissed
Being told to calm down
Being told it's not important
It's trivial
Having Piers Morgan and Katie Hopkins criticise her on TV and in the Daily Mail.

scallopsrgreat · 13/07/2017 19:52

I'm not sure why people are so quick to defend this journalist on a racism charge. Racism (conscious or otherwise) has certainly dogged the Williams sisters. This is yet another another example of the erasure of black women. Whether his primary reason for omitting them was because they were women or because they were black doesn't really matter. This is far far more likely to happen to black women. Those two sisters have been at the top of their sport for so long and have done so much trailblazing and they were still forgotten. I'm not sure I care very much whether his intentions were racist or not. The result was racist.

MrsTerryPratchett · 13/07/2017 15:39

Actually Martina was pre-2009 so ignore me Grin

MrsTerryPratchett · 13/07/2017 15:35

Since Martina is now an American he could also have said, "first straight player". It's a smorgasbord of ignoring everyone 'other'.

Giddyaunt18 · 13/07/2017 15:32

So nice to see Andy smile and laugh!

Giddyaunt18 · 13/07/2017 15:20

Also I love his manners on court. Always removes his cap before shaking his opponents hand, win or lose. Always signs autographs after a match, a lot of autographs.

PeppermintPasty · 13/07/2017 15:18

Absolutely cheered me up no end when I saw the clip yesterday. Love him. Thanks too to the poster who posted the things he's said previously. He is tops.

Giddyaunt18 · 13/07/2017 15:17

Love Andy Murray, love his 'not amused' face.

OlennasWimple · 13/07/2017 14:43

chicken - maybe when Glamour are doing their Women of the Year awards they could bear him in mind

Cailleach666 · 13/07/2017 14:37

He's just gone up 10 fold in my estimation. Thanks for that.

user1495915742 · 13/07/2017 13:45

He's such a great role model.

We need more Andy Murrays!

PoochSmooch · 13/07/2017 13:38

Absolutely.

Women need to toughen up and not take sexist statements too personally. We can't expect kid gloves. It's just words!

Men are terribly, terribly hurt by being accused of saying sexist things. We really ought to be nicer. Words hurt!

NoLoveofMine · 13/07/2017 13:07

Indeed alltouchedout. It seems it's worse for men to be correctly described as sexist than for women to actually experience sexism, with the former prompting more outrage from many.

alltouchedout · 13/07/2017 13:02

On one of the Independent articles on facebook today about this, there is such upset being expressed by some posters that the Indy have described the journalist who made the comment Andy corrected as sexist. Apparently, making a sexist comment does not make you sexist. And saying someone is sexist is a terrible thing. Funny how they're more upset about that than they are about actual sexism, eh?

sociostudebt · 13/07/2017 12:52

Andy is great, deserves more praise for being a Great British champion than he gets. Has class.

I also wondered about intersectionality of the journos comments. It's not just that other Americans have been in the semis but Serena William's has dominated the women's game and won numerous slams in that time. I do wonder whether she would have been so easily forgotten whether she was a white female or black male tennis player. We will never know but I have my suspicions it's no for both.

NoLoveofMine · 13/07/2017 12:22

Well it's slightly odd you were using only comments under specific articles you've read to counter those saying the reaction in general is completely different. It's pretty clear it was the wider reaction being referred to but alright, he gets exactly the same grief and abuse in the comments under the articles you read as women do Confused

Popchyck · 13/07/2017 12:20

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross, have any of the articles that you have read had people threatening to rape and/or kill him?

MrsBakedBean · 13/07/2017 12:20

I agree Karlos. Not many going about anymore.

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 13/07/2017 12:19

My original comment said: if you read the comments beneath some of the articles reporting on this, he gets just as much grief for his feminism as women do.

So, NoLove, how do you know that you have read exactly the same online articles as I have to be able to assert so sweepingly that He definitely doesn't?

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