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Can you lot explain this to me in words of one syllable

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Whattheacktual · 11/07/2017 08:33

Facebook twatrery.

So I've been called

A TRA

A TERF

Transphobic

Homophobic

And

Dangerous

For saying that I as a heterosexual cis woman am sexually attracted to men.

Shock that seems to cover a lot of bases.

Anyone care to explain?

Or have they all been on the koolaid?

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PacificDogwod · 12/07/2017 21:32

I have 3 words of one syllable:

What.
The.
Fuck?!

Sorry, not feeling v eloquent.
Wot Datun said/is saying.
Sigh.

OlennasWimple · 12/07/2017 21:29

Tsk! There you go, Datun, bringing science into it! What's that got to with how someone feels?

bambambini · 12/07/2017 19:58

If you are interested. A friend went to one of her talks and thought she was excellent.

vimeo.com/169667745/comments

bambambini · 12/07/2017 19:53

Was just watching a video from Dr Sally Powis on TG and autism and how many autistic TG folk don't see themselves as looking "odd" - as others see them. Hard to explain but quite interesting.

Datun · 12/07/2017 19:49

Actually, I was reading one of those scientific papers and it said that the desire to look female is so strong that merely putting on a tight skirt and a bit of lippy make them feel very alluring, despite being a six-foot four brickie.

It's part and parcel of AGP, I believe. They truly believe their own advertising.

bambambini · 12/07/2017 19:44

I think dome are just that deluded that them thinking they are a woman, makes it obvious to everone else or because they are immersed in transwotld - everyone else is too.

Datun · 12/07/2017 19:34

I don't get it? Are we back to it all being about appearances and what will the neighbours think?

bambambini · 12/07/2017 19:29

This came to mind.

Can you lot explain this to me in words of one syllable
Datun · 12/07/2017 14:34

bambambini

Well yes. That's true, isn't it?

Constantly making assumptions about people's gender.

Although I suppose they could refute it on the basis that it's only misgendering if you know what someone's pronoun is and you refuse to use it.

On the other hand, as soon as enough people get wind of this, we can just constantly demand that people ask us what our pronouns are, and invent them on the spot.

Because that won't take very long to die a death...

bambambini · 12/07/2017 13:38

I've seen male looking TW rant about being misgendered in shops, cafes etc - whilst going on about "that woman" "she" "He" without even realising they themselves make obvious assuptions about random strangers all the time without checking their gender and pronoun preferences.

Whattheacktual · 12/07/2017 09:15

Thanks for those links - I'll watch them once I'm home. It was that Riley Dennis video that was being discussed.

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Datun · 12/07/2017 08:28

OP, if you watch the Riley J Dennis video above, these are two further videos worth watching.

The first is by Magdelen Berns, a feminist lesbian, who was barred from her LGBT group at university for saying that, as a lesbian, she wouldn't sleep with a transwomen because they are male.

She is incredibly incisive and showers clarity on this issue that consistently defaults to unintelligibility in order to confuse.

The second is a critique by Taylor Fogarty of a video made by Riley J Dennis's girlfriend.

What you have been subjected to is the natural extension of what these videos are about. Riley J Dennis is a man who is attracted to women. Therefore your sexual orientation (heterosexuality) doesn't really affect him.

But - he has to undermine lesbianism, because as a transwoman, he identifies as a lesbian. Being male, he has to make gender identity replace biological sex as the basis for sexual orientation.

However, to be consistent, the ideology then has to extend their criticism of homosexuality, to heterosexuality. Which is where you come in.

OlennasWimple · 11/07/2017 23:54
OlennasWimple · 11/07/2017 23:53

Here you go, OP - [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5GYlZKfBmI Riley J Dennis can explain it all to you....]

Datun · 11/07/2017 19:43

Is that wrong of me somehow?

If course it isn't wrong!

1st rule of misogyny - women disagreeing is hate speech.

Whattheacktual · 11/07/2017 18:58

I just don't understand how I can be a TERF and then two posts later someone else calls me a TRA.

It's deffo somewhere I'm best off out of.

I still don't understand how me being heterosexual has any danger to anyone else. I mean. Anyone else can be and do whatever they like with anyone with whom they have consent to do it. My PERSONAL preference is for a man with cock and balls and born a man who identifies as a man and who I want to get naked with.

But anyone else is free to get naked with women men trans anyone they choose.

Is that wrong of me somehow?

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PoochSmooch · 11/07/2017 18:35

It probably doesn't achieve what I would like it to, datun, but I at least feel a bit better for not accepting what someone else is trying to tell me my reaction is.

whoputthecatout · 11/07/2017 18:24

Here's the thing. To kool aiders, TRAs etc. there is a rule, which is

"Heads I win, tails you lose". They have no concept of biology, no concept of logic, no concept of fairness. They believe they are God almighty and it's their way or the highway.

We should not indulge their fantasies. Words such as gender should be binned when what we actually mean is sex. Cis is a meaningless crap word to 'other' anyone who is not on board with their fantasies. It's too meaningless to even be offensive.

I cannot think why any sane person indulges these types. We tiptoe around being too sensitive to risk offending these snowflakes while they blunder round like a bull in a china shop feeling free to offend any person who doesn't buy into their Alice in Wonderland world.

Enough FFS.

DJBaggySmalls · 11/07/2017 16:09

I'm guessing the person that called you a TRA doesn't know what that is.

WhereYouLeftIt · 11/07/2017 16:02

"How is saying I personally am heterosexual homophobic or transphobic?"
Ah, don't you know that you're supposed to 'work through' your preferences? Your claim to heterosexuality means that you are rejecting same-sex partners, and that's homophobic. And by preferring men, you are rejecting transmen. Or maybe it's rejecting the penises of transwomen, it's hard to tell any more.

It sounds as if that FB group is just chock-full of the professionally offended.

Datun · 11/07/2017 12:51

I think it's important to be clear that it's not about taking umbrage - it's about getting words right.

Does that work Pooch? I see so many of these conversations ending up over the right to be oppressed (and therefore an aspiration to oppression) vs actual, verifiable oppression.

Which is why it causes offence.

But then the entire conversation just degenerates into a playground insistence over who is worse off.

And in my head I'm thinking, being oppressed doesn't alter your sex. Stop it. It's irrelevant.

Do you get any progress by ignoring any offence, on either side?

PoochSmooch · 11/07/2017 12:19

I don't tend to say I'm offended if I'm called cis gendered.

I'm not "offended". They're just wrong. I have no gender identity, so there is no way for there to be congruence between my birth sex and my "gender identity". I'm a feminist - gender is a hierarchy, not a descriptor that can usefully be applied to an individual.

I think it's important to be clear that it's not about taking umbrage - it's about getting words right.

Chin up, OP, there is a lot of fuckery out there, don't take it to heart, just carry on living your standards.

Letitrain · 11/07/2017 11:47

It's tiresome bullshit.

Datun · 11/07/2017 10:03

And I'm NOT cis ffs.

I'm Spartacus, now and forever.

Datun · 11/07/2017 10:01

I too don't understand how you can be called a TRA and a terf. They are polar opposites. And suggest someone is a bit confused (easily done).

Saying you are only attracted to males makes you a bigoted transphobe under the ideology.

Gender identity has replaced biological sex. Not only that, it has erased biological sex.

A man who identifies as a woman is a woman. Born a woman, always a woman. His penis is a female organ. He is exactly the same as a woman like you, except his anatomy is configured slightly differently. And aren't all women's anatomy a little different from one another, after all?

This agenda is being pushed by people who are born male who want sex. The reason you are wrong for being attracted to the male sex is because many transwomen (so born men) remain attracted to women. They can't identify as a woman and remain attracted to women without saying they're lesbians.

In which case homosexuality does not exist on the basis of sex. And by extension, neither does heterosexuality.

This ideology erases every single biological difference between men and women because some men want more sex whilst getting aroused by identifying as a woman.

You are 'dangerous' because you see it as the steaming pile of misogynistic, predatory, desperate bullshit that it is.

And you're really not helping deluded, narcissistic men get more sex.

Check your privilege.

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