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Can anyone explain queer heterosexuality to me?

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featherland · 08/07/2017 22:40

I have noticed over the last few months / years more and more people I know on Facebook identifying themselves as queer, even though they are in heteronormative relationships.

For example, I went to a friend's wedding. It was very traditional - big white gown, all male speeches etc. she has been with her husband since she was a teenager and never (publicly) been in a relationship with a woman. She describes herself as femme and queer - and often posts photos of herself looking very beautiful and typically 'feminine' (makeup, pretty clothes ..) describing herself as such, with loads of pride emoticons.

I just .. Don't get it? I understand the desire to reject gender norms and heteronormativity. But surely those of us who are straight and in monogamous relationships can't just claim the word queer when we receive (willingly or not) all the social privileges of being straight?

And I can understand wanting to stand in solidarity with LGBTQ people. But don't we need to change heteronormative society rather than muscle in on the spaces created by and for people who are marginalised? Eg I am not married, mainly because I can't reconcile myself with the patriarchal history of marriage. I don't see that doing heteronormative tings and saying that you aren't is really queer? If there is such a thing as queer heterosexuality shouldn't it be about living in non normative ways?

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Turph · 09/10/2018 07:09

pandaqueer gendersquid aromasturbating bollocks
It hurts when tea comes out my nose like that. I'm reporting you all for hate crimes Grin

AngryAttackKittens · 09/10/2018 00:43

FOR ANYONE WONDERING WHAT IT MEANS TO BE "QUEER HETEROSEXUAL," it means that the heterosexual relationship is non-conforming, or deviant, than that of the social construct of traditional heterosexual relationships. It has nothing to do with identifying with a different sexual identity, gender, or sex, and is not for attention. BASICALLY, this can be translated to present-time society, in which we are seeing both men and women - in heterosexual relationships - exchanging masculine and feminine characteristics. For example, in present time heterosexual relationships we are seeing men open up more, or learning to embrace their emotional side (this can be considered a queer heterosexual relationship).

My DH often has his hair long, and which of us earns more has varied throughout our relationship, and now varies from month to month because he earns commission. Are we just a regular old het couple when he's had a haircut recently and a good month in terms of sales, and queer when his hair is longer and he hasn't done as well that month at work?

This navel gazing bollocks can't end soon enough as far as I'm concerned.

auldcraw · 09/10/2018 00:01

i thought queer meant odd! maybe she is

PersonWithAVulva · 08/10/2018 23:30

Just straight people appropriating LGB so that they can claim to be oppressed too.

Much like 'trans' people who do not actually have gender dysphoria are just appropriating the trans label. With the help of stonewall.

ErrolTheDragon · 06/10/2018 23:17

DH and I each have an identical pair of scientific degrees and similar love of sci fi and dachshunds. This doesn't seem to fit the standard gender pair rules but doesn't invert the rules either as seems to be required for queerness. Could that be called homogendered heterosexuality perhaps? Grinor just a bog standard couple with similar interests

Sciencelover101 · 06/10/2018 23:09

Why? Your initial question makes no logical sense. If you wish to confound yourself in ridiculous labelling then perhaps you need to get a grip on reality

Deliriumoftheendless · 06/10/2018 22:23

I put the bin out yesterday but my other half fetched it in.

I’m submitting our story to The Guardian.

LangCleg · 06/10/2018 22:16

My DH does the ironing and loves period drama. We're definitely queer.

ErrolTheDragon · 06/10/2018 21:53

Tedious - hmm, if you both really thought the other odd for those reasons then accordingly to my definition upthread then I fear it does.

I'm feeling exceptionally smug at having been awarded a thread by Lass of all people; in return I think she deserves special commendation for turning nonsense into drivel.Grin

tediousnamechange · 06/10/2018 21:03

So dh once commented it was odd/ more like a bloke that I did t like musicals, did like sci fi, wasn't very tidy and didn't blow dry my hair. I commented it was odd he was quite so obsessed with talent shows.

Does that make us queer?

LassWiADelicateAir · 06/10/2018 19:09

FOR ANYONE WONDERING WHAT IT MEANS TO BE "QUEER HETEROSEXUAL," it means that the heterosexual relationship is non-conforming, or deviant, than that of the social construct of traditional heterosexual relationships

There is a word or words missing after "or deviant" and before "than that". It doesn't make sense.

I think it should say something like it means that the heterosexual relationship is non-conforming, or deviant, when compared with the social construct of traditional heterosexual relationships

By "not make sense" I mean , literally not make sense because of the poor grammatical structure, not the content.The content is another matter. My re-written version is structurally correct but still drivel.

(Credentials- LLB, DipLP, Notary Public and an A pass in Sixth Year Studies English)

FermatsTheorem · 06/10/2018 16:53

Errol does indeed win the thread.

But the bullshit about "FOR ANYONE WONDERING WHAT IT MEANS TO BE "QUEER HETEROSEXUAL," it means that the heterosexual relationship is non-conforming, or deviant, than that of the social construct of traditional heterosexual relationships" surely has to the prize for greatest steaming heap of ordure on mumsnet this calendar year. (I particularly love the way it was accompanied with a CV, in the manner of a Christmas round robin letter: little Jacinta now has her grade V black belt in post modern gender studies...)

Yes, deluded poster, we get it. You are special. So much more special than those of us who (thinking about the varied experiences of women on this board) fought against social norms to get into STEM careers, escaped domestic abuse against a social background of "if you only tried hard to understand him, you could make the marriage work", forged careers in law and politics, broke the expectations of the woman always being the stay-at-home-parent, made a success of being a single parent, took part in sports thought of as "men's sports." But no, you must not let anything get in the way of your mental picture of us as stuck in a 1950s Doris Day movie (and even that was an illusion, because Rock Hudson was gay). Because if you didn't have this mental picture, you'd have no mental model for the mundane, grey background against which you are so "speshul". And that would not do at all.

nononsene · 06/10/2018 16:42

Huh? It’s considered “deviant” for me to have an engineering degree and work in a male dominated area and for DH to have a cry. Is it just me or is the world moving backwards?

tediousnamechange · 06/10/2018 11:20

The thing is that there is a whole branch of academia exploring queer theory. Like it was a science or a social science, or something.

This is what I was shown recently, via some lectures and texts. Throughout I felt it was all just make believe, fantasy and a kind of class of artistic expression. Not actually real. But that was what was scary, they all believed it was real and extra special.

RedToothBrush · 06/10/2018 11:15

I think I'm going to just explain it in two words

Pretentious Wankers.

theOtherPamAyres · 06/10/2018 11:11

The thing is that there is a whole branch of academia exploring queer theory. Like it was a science or a social science, or something.

terryleather · 06/10/2018 10:22

Society needs to stop listening to these lunatic middle class Uni smugwanks who've overdosed on too much Judith Butler.

Amen to that.

thainparnell · 06/10/2018 01:40

Just read this thread and fuck me, what a lot of cobblers. Sorry but there are real issues in the world and real oppression in our society, particularly towards women. All this navel gazing over nothing is pure narcissism and utterly ridiculous. Look, we live in a gender caste system, women are dubbed lesser and pressured to be feminine, conform to stereotypically feminine ways of dressing, behaving etc... They are also hated and punished when they don't comply. That's shit. That needs to change. Destroy the bullshit gender stereotypes. There is also homophobia. This affects lesbians, gay and bisexual people who are in same sex relationships. If you are not currently in a same sex relationship, who cares if you are bisexual? Who knows? Who is stigmatizing you for it? No one bloody cares. These are first world issues. Misogyny on the other hand is alive, well and kicking and the cause of many women's suffering. Homophobia is a threat to many gay men and lesbians. Racism makes the lives of many ethnic minorities harder. Poverty limits lives and ruins the health of the poor through stress, poor diets etc... These are the issues. Not this pandaqueer gendersquid aromasturbating bollocks. No one is queer if they are in an opposite sex relationship. Society needs to stop listening to these lunatic middle class Uni smugwanks who've overdosed on too much Judith Butler.

ArcheryAnnie · 06/10/2018 01:08

Errol does win it! (And I too did not notice the zombification! But it's a perrennial problem.)

ArcheryAnnie · 06/10/2018 01:06

It's appropriative bollocks. It's people living straight lives who want to be special, and who want a bit of the old "I'm not homophobic" teflon.

And as a bi person I am here to say that "bisexual erasure" is a load of old cobblers, too. If you are bisexual, good for you. If you are in an opposite-sex relationship, that's fine, you are still bi, but you benefit from straight privilege. Nobody cares that you fancy a celeb the same sex as you, you are still in a straight relationship, and you benefit from straight privilege.

Most bi people are in opposite-sex relationships, and that's fine. I suspect it's a combination of social pressure and simple numbers - there are more straight people around that gay, so the odds are that you will end up in a straight relationship as there's more prospective partners. They are still bi. But that doesn't mean those bi people are oppressed for their bisexuality.

ErrolTheDragon · 06/10/2018 00:53

I apologise for not detecting the whiff of putrefaction but will graciously accept the award.Grin

AngryAttackKittens · 06/10/2018 00:13

Skoliosexual reads to me like it should mean being exclusively attracted to people with skoliosis.

LassWiADelicateAir · 06/10/2018 00:07

This was a resurrected thread which frankly should have been left in peace but Errol wins it.

ErrolTheDragon · 06/10/2018 00:01

A queer heterosexual couple?
Doesn't that just mean one has a dick, one doesn't have a dick, but they both are dicks?

Eeh, there's nowt so queer as folk, tha knows.

MrsAird · 05/10/2018 23:26

stillathing apparently you are Skoliosexuals