Active discussions

Please or to access all these features

Talk
Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Feminism: chat

Original poster

The hard left's problem with women

88 replies

KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 07/07/2017 19:51

Looking at front page of the Times listing those labour MPs being targeted by momentum for deselection and idly wondering; why do most of them seem to be women - and in particular, women with string track records on feminist issues? I mean Stella Creasy for gods sake? I'm not a labour voter I admit but how could anyone vote for a party who deselected a woman of her calibre?
Is it me or do these people have a problem?

OP posts:
QuentinSummers · 07/07/2017 22:26

What??!! Are labour intent on self destruction?
I love Stella Creasey. Stella for PM I say

Walkingtowork · 07/07/2017 22:24

I'm absolutely certain Corbyn would love his critics deselected, I guarantee he won't try to stop it. This last election result was ideal for him - he got more ammunition against them (by 'defying expectations') but avoided the actual hard work, responsibility and compromise of the top job.

My guess for why some young women are falling for it is that we only learn about feminism by accident with life experience, it's not usually taught. There's a hell of a lot of young men also on board. They seem to like their politics simple.

Original poster
KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 07/07/2017 22:23

There are also men on the list - but not very many. There does seem to be a message to women here. Toe the line or F off. See the statements quoted vis a vis luciana Berger - she will be made to take account if our views etc. All very unsavoury.
I've often observed how pop eyed corbyn gets when being given a hard time by kuensberg et al. Women are supposed to admire me, not criticise me, is what he seems to think.

OP posts:
Walkingtowork · 07/07/2017 22:19

When I found out some Labour members don't support All Women Shortlists for election candidates, or feminism in general, I got a partial explanation: apparently some of the hard left are still very obsessed with class issues and see feminism as middle class, therefore not their problem.

That obviously isn't the whole explanation, but it was something I hadn't realised before.

The 'moderate' - or whatever the label is for the Corbyn-sceptical side of the party (basically most who joined pre-2015) - are overwhelmingly nicer people. And I've met several hundred Labour members.

Imstickingwiththisone · 07/07/2017 22:16

I've not read the time article but I've seen the list and i wouldn't say there is a mysoginistic slant on it. There are also men on the list and all in the 'hostile' list have had publicised criticism of Corbyn so it's clear that is the reason they are considered 'hostile' and not their sex.

Saying that, I don't like this and i don't like the idea of Momentum trying to get these MPs deselected. I hope that Corbyn tells them to back off because it is this kind of shit that will make him unelectable.

Original poster
KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 07/07/2017 22:16

so why are young women - and older ones if this place is anything to go by - falling for this? The whole thing reeks of misogyny.

OP posts:
shinyshiner · 07/07/2017 22:02

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

OlennasWimple · 07/07/2017 21:43

I agree, and I find it incredibly troubling. I think it's another facet of the anti-semitism and conservative Islam that has found a home in the left wing TBH

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 07/07/2017 21:34

Debuts??? debunks

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 07/07/2017 21:28

It isn't the saintly Corbyn himself of course who is saying this. Whether as leader he debuts this list or is happy just to let he idea lie and gather momentum ( no pun intended) will be interesting.

Original poster
KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 07/07/2017 20:49

Have read full article now and it seems that bar two - umunna and Bradshaw - it's all women being targeted.
I know there are lots of corbyn acolytes in MN so I look forward to one of them explaining wtf is going on. Other than slapping down uppity women who dare to criticise men of course.

OP posts:
birdsdestiny · 07/07/2017 20:19

There is massive misogyny within the hard left. Has been forever really.

shinyshiner · 07/07/2017 20:17

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.