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I hate the terms MtT and FtT.

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Miffer · 03/07/2017 01:15

This is all going to be a bit garbled so apologies in advance.

Okay, I wanted to post a thread about transwomen who are allies and what their role is/could be in feminist thought, especially around harmful masculinity. I fell at the first hurdle wondering how to title my thread.

I hate the MtT and FtT terminology, I see it as really dehumanising. I get why people use it but it makes really uncomfortable. I don't see how we can argue that people are biologically male or female (let's just leave intersex for the time being) then use "Male to trans" as a thing. From the other side these people are still male if they are trans, isn't that the whole point?

I like the words transman and transwoman as I feel it's clearly defined enough, being one word, to work as intended as it removes the need to add anything to "woman" or "man" when talking about none trans people. That said I have read why other poster object to this and understand completely.

Is it okay that I like to call trans women I respect "her" and "she"? I mean really, obviously I am not asking for permission but rather other peoples thoughts.

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VestalVirgin · 03/07/2017 01:25

I'm on the fence about this.

I'd usually say that pronouns are a social construct anyway, and some languages have neutral ones, so it really doesn't matter which ones you use.

And that "transman" is clear enough.

But that was what we used to believe, and then came the transactivists and preyed on our willingness to be nice to trans people and demanded that now we must pretend that they are actually the other sex.

Some use TIF and TIM, trans identified female and trans identified male, respectively.
I feel that's most accurate. Though probably best for talking to feminists who know what it is all about.

The average person in Europe (not sure about the US) will not understand that "transwomen" are actually male, and will likely not understand MTT or TIM, either. So there, it doesn't really matter.

SerfTerf · 03/07/2017 01:24

ISWYM. I wonder if something like GMT & GFT (genetically male/female trans) would work?

Miffer · 03/07/2017 01:18

By they way the point of the thread is to kick of a discussion around the language we use when talking about these things. I know this has been discussed in other threads but not (to my recollection) as a main topic.

That said it probably has and I apologise if I am flogging a dead horse.

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