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Keeping a body alive: women with fewer rights than the foetus.

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Iris65 · 30/06/2017 08:00

'Numerous states have adopted laws restricting the ability of doctors to end artificial life support for terminally ill pregnant patients. Twelve of those states (including Texas) have the most restrictive of such laws, which automatically invalidate a woman's advance directive if she is pregnant. Such laws state that, regardless of the progression of the pregnancy, a woman must remain on life-sustaining treatment until she gives birth.' From: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Marlise_Muñoz

This case makes me feel sick. A woman could be 8 weeks pregnant and her body kept alive as a biological incubator for the sake of a person who doesn't yet exist.

I understand that if a an infant is viable a caesarian section would be justified but keeping her body alive for months to allow the infant to reach viability is profoundly disrespectful of her rights as an individual.

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Gileswithachainsaw · 30/06/2017 12:36

Hand it to some orphanage and forget about it, most likely

I'm always amazed at how people can think spending your life unloved in an orphanage where there's no way your needs cab ever be truly met would some how be better than never being born. At least you would be with your mother who loved you in whatever afterlife scenario you believed in.

VestalVirgin · 30/06/2017 12:32

Ugh, how disgusting.

"Your mother died before you were born, but she had written in her will she wanted her body kept alive so you could live, because she loved you that much" is ... well, still horrific, but much better than "Oh, actually, your mother didn't want to be kept alive artificially, but we disrespected her wishes and let her slowly rot to death with you inside because we wanted you to live. Not that we care about you now you're born. Fuck off."

What are they going to do with the baby?

Hand it to some orphanage and forget about it, most likely. It is not about the babies. It is never about the babies. It is only about oppressing women.

Gileswithachainsaw · 30/06/2017 11:40

God that's disgraceful it really is. Statistically surely the odds aren't good for the baby?

As pp said what happens when this pre term likely very sick baby is delivered and the dad isn't around or can't possibly support his family on benefits as he had to quit work.

What are they going to do with the baby?

Elendon · 30/06/2017 11:32

Imagine being that child, if it is delivered successfully and it is healthy.

Exactly. This is the chorus that comes from those who deny women choice, what about the life of that poor unborn 'child'. They don't give a fig about it once it's born though. Imagine being told you were born and your mother had died weeks previously? I would be horrified to discover that.

Elendon · 30/06/2017 11:26

It's not good for the foetus and it's incubating in a decomposing body kept alive via ventilation and strong antibiotics.

There was a case in Ireland regarding a brain dead woman who was pregnant who was kept alive solely because those treating her feared prosecution under the laws in Ireland regarding abortion.

www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/26/ireland-court-rules-brain-dead-pregnant-womans-life-support-switched-off

Reading further into this case may well be triggering.

squishysquirmy · 30/06/2017 10:42

That's disgusting. If a woman was near full term, and if it can be proved that she would have wanted it, I can understand an argument for keeping her "alive" for a few more weeks to give the foetus the best chance of survival before a ceasarian is performed.
The case described in the link is heartbreaking. If I understand correctly, in many cases its not even about keeping a pregnant woman "alive" until her baby is delivered (bad enough) - its about keeping her "alive" as the foetus develops, until the foetus becomes so deformed that it is considered non-viable. Because I can't see how a viable foetus can develop in those conditions.

TitaniasCloset · 30/06/2017 10:36

That can't be good for the baby.

PossibiliTea · 30/06/2017 10:32

It is horrific. Sorry but can I ask a really stupid question? How can they keep the baby healthy and growing if the mother is in that sort of state? It doesn't seem fair for anyone involved, along with everything else that's wrong with it.

Imagine being that child, if it is delivered successfully and it is healthy.

DJBaggySmalls · 30/06/2017 10:11

That cannot possibly be in the best interests of the fetus. If it is born with a disability, if the father cannot or won't look after it and it ends up in care, the USA systems are even worse than in the UK.

msrisotto · 30/06/2017 10:06

In reality it's beyond disgusting. I've read up on this before, her body starts breaking down. I'll spare the gory details but it becomes very very clear that this isn't like keeping a person asleep for a long time. This is torturing a corpse.

ISaySteadyOn · 30/06/2017 10:04

It is disgraceful. Women are not just wombs.

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