Punching Terfs

I just saw this. Talk about an excellent example of what a violent man looks like.

I think that a lot of people who'd call themselves lefties automatically support trans rights without bothering to find out the detail. I agree that a lot of trans ideology is profoundly right wing but unfortunately, especially in the US, the right wing are our allies against it (for their own reasons).

LGBT is a spectrum
The L is to the left
and the T is to the right.

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oh no I've committed actual violence towards a self-identifying Lefty who's actually a Tory by my mere musing!

Datun I think it's better to remove LGB+T issues from Left VS Right politics. It's un-ignorable that anyone supporting transactivism is a misogynist, you get them on the right of politics and the left.
Anti-feminism (AKA punching Terfs) is more common on the far right!
So transactivists indeed have more in common with the right than left.

From the Helen Lewis thread I went down a rabbit hole to discover someone claiming abortion was cis privilege.

Christ.

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Firstly they don't care. And secondly, their argument is that because I'm a woman, what I do is 'womanly'.

Being serious though, do these people not realise that wearing clothes which declare that they attack women is much more of a male thing to do than a female?

Personally I actually think trans politics is more right wing and regressive than they are left wing, because trans politics holds onto deeply conservative views of what being male or female is, and is inherently homophobic, a modern conversion therapy.

This is true. I think it depends how you analyse the trans-ideology. Reinforcing gender stereotypes is right-wing. Supporting LGB issues is left-wing.

At the moment, people are generally assuming it's an LGB issue. Until they drill down.

From what I have read, anyone who supports it is a misogynist. And they just tailor their politics to fit.

It's a win/win for men and a lose/lose for women, whatever their politics.

Patodp, I bet he self-idenities as left wing... You don't want to be violent, do you?

He might own a £1million house and vote conservative to preserve his shares in a utility company offshore account. And want to punch Terfs.

But how do you know this man is left wing?

Left wing men need to deal with their misogyny or gtfo.

This image is also doing the rounds this morning. If you are on Twitter perhaps you could take a moment to report it as 'threatening violence to a group.'

Also, Facebook is deleting and banning all references to Dykes. Things are actually getting pretty scary for women right now.

I really like Helen Lewis and reading those comments is maddening. More of the 'questioning someone's identity is violence!' rubbish. Reminded me of a sky news interview on YouTube where a trans woman tells Julie Bindel that trans people are now frightened of Jenny Murray, and Julie Bindel just starts laughing and points out that if you're interviewed by someone who disagrees with you, you present them with facts and logic.
Which is exactly why TAs claim to be scared, I suppose -because they have no logical basis for what they're arguing.

I'm as left as anything and I'm a TERF, as was Marx.

gate gayour? I just meant Gay. I have a homophobic autospell!

Who are the "left wing" in this discourse exactly?

Left wing generally means a belief in taxation, equal opportunities in the form of free education and free healthcare, and more equal distribution of wealth.

Gay rights, the right to employment when you are gate and the right to not be discriminated against, like refused entry or refused service for being gayour, falls under left wing ideology because it was progressive.

"I punch Terfs" is not exactly a left wing mantra.
It's a violent male-centric comment.

Trans ideology is relatively new, and I think we are all still learning how it's own politics which are so muddled up with LGB rights actually fit in.

Personally I actually think trans politics is more right wing and regressive than they are left wing, because trans politics holds onto deeply conservative views of what being male or female is, and is inherently homophobic, a modern conversion therapy.

I believe ppl who choose to dress up and present themselves in a way they like should be free to do so, and this is pretty much what "left wing" is about, but upholding and entrenching gender roles and redefining words to mean things they don't mean is not typical of left wing politics or liberal politics at all. Punching feminists and rape / death threats are not traditionally left wing or liberal acts. They are the acts of abhorrent individuals.

Where does the left wing come into it? Helen Lewis is a lefty isn't she - how do you know the people in her thread are too?

I get confused when politics enters the fray. TERF seems to be a euphemism for any woman that I can threaten. It's pure misogyny.

Does that mean the left are secret misogynists? Or does that mean that it's mostly men who are given a voice and their politics are irrelevant?