Male feminism

I wasn't aware of the crash test dummy thing. Interesting to know, glad I've learned from the women posting here.
You mentioned your daughters so I assumed you had daughters why would I bring up sons? Also patriarchy benefits men and disadvantages women so why would I bring how it impacts the men that benefit and continue it?

Yes, you've missed the point, women earn less but can lose their job and be bankrupted by a rape or domestic violence. they may also have to move several times to escape an abuser.. We are doubly vulnerable.

Women dont just complain, we get off our arses, organise and fundraise.
Men dont fundraise. Men dont fundraise for mens cancers, or for the DV or rape services they need. Fundraising is the opposite of 'just complaining, not wanting to improve things'.

As for the medical thing, its a huge problem. A quick google on any subject would give you enough info to settle your doubts. We can start you off; we fdont have to do it all for you.

the research gap;
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1761670/

A more accessible article.
www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/apr/30/fda-clinical-trials-gender-gap-epa-nih-institute-of-medicine-cardiovascular-disease

*rape

@Hardtofindausername

doesnt refer to equality in the sense I thought

That's because equality as such is not the goal of feminism, eliminating the oppression of women is.

We could achieve "equality" by giving men a 12 percent pay cut, and increasing the levels of tape and domestic violence against them. Clearly that's not the sort of equality that's helpful though, is it?

If you found the MN feminists board you most definitely did know what to expect and what you were looking for. It's not the first place people look to for feminism. Though it really ought to be.

Anyway. Go make your own damn sandwich

What on earth were you expecting?

Well, you know, all mumsy so full of women who want to gently pander to men who honour them with their presence.

Possibly tea and cake. And you come back with your washing done.

Just out of interest, what did you think Mumsnet was like?

You don't see male privilege because you have it

Lower tolerance for mess doesn't explain men who come home and demand spotless houses from their wives either. I think actually maybe men can see mess... hmm.

Why do women have this supposed lower tolerance anyway? 10 points for women swept caves while men hunted saver tooth tigers. definitely not down to societal assumptions that women should keep a clean home and are more likely to be pulled up on it

ThanksmsMay yes that's interesting about women being allowed to do something for themselves- I wonder if that's one of the reasons feminists are on the receiving end of so much vitriol - because in this one thing they're not servicing the needs of others (for once).

I was trying to understand a different view point and to check my beliefs How perfectly patronising gracious of you.

Sorry when I started that post it was straight after AlternativeTentacle!

And the raising awareness and all the hard graft along with that.

Do you want to us to do that for men too, OP? Perhaps with a ready smile on our face and a box of cookies for any man who'd like to join us?

"lower tolerance for mess" = excuse to be a lazy slob and let women run around after them. Grow up, take some fucking responsibility and lose your sense of entitlement. Your partner doesn't need to relinquish control . You need to take ownership. Otherwise you may find you have to do all the housework. On your own.

Is that why your opening was the good old "ahem, man here, don't kill me laydeez!! Hohoho!" beloved of men who just want to draw the silly women out so they can demonstrate the errors of their ways?

Yeah but to do that you could google "feminism".

oh should women also be dressing in blue and doing races for men as well? I'm a bit angry movember isn't about me.

Even though breast cancer awareness started to combat the shame around breast cancer.!

Curiously, I don't think that answer is ever going to be "I was wrong".

Raising even.

Well the op clearly has an answer for everything so I just want to wish him well raiding his daughter and a successful relationship with her when she is an adult.

was hugely aware of the fund raising for breast cancer (which I admit affects men too, in smaller numbers) and none for "male cancers"

And who is doing this fund raising?

@ItsBetter. That crash test dummy thing was in this forum! Patriarchy is tough one for me... I maybe don't understand your meaning of patriarchy, but nobody thinks I'm the "head" of the household, and women aren't excluded from power etc. I just don't see it. You also don't mention how patriarchy might impact my sons, which is kinda what I mean about feminism not seeming to me to be about equality.

Women aren't excluded from power. Right. So the lack of female politicans and ceos is because women don't want it. Or just aren't good enough?

Do you think black men are equally unambitious?

Actually. Do you believe white middle class rich men are just naturally better and smarter? Because if they aren't excluding other people who don't fit that means all those other people are really just not as good.

Feminism is about women. It would benefit men in some ways but you asked about your daughter. It also isn't about men. It will make men's lives better if they are respected as care givers. Less expected to be sex mad assholes who think with their dicks. Allowed to cry. But as men are benefiting by and large on the backs of women. I don't actually care about it benefiting men. Women are allowed to do something for themselves.

feminism not seeming to me to be about equality.

Ah, right, you see feminism as a movement which aims to be nice to everyone rather focusing on women. Your problem is that you think women ought not to focus just on women because if women aren't minding everyone, what happens then?