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Collidascope · 21/06/2017 10:36

Does anyone else, in their masochistic or morbidly curious moments, go on there and look through the comments?

There's a "woman are stronger than men" article today with comments that are entirely predictable but still made me furious.

Most claim that men have created and built everything of worth in the world and this proves their superiority. These people genuinely seem to believe the horseshit they're coming out with. I know the Mail is wank but it still appeals to a lot of people. Makes me absolutely despair if this is what most men are secretly thinking.
I feel like we need to start having sex studies in school to explain why everything the kids are learning centres men so we don't just repeat this shit down the generations. Grr.

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ThanksMsMay · 22/06/2017 19:58

I wonder what the women who marry these men think when they hear this. I know some women are as sexist in their views but to look at your partner and know he thinks you're an idiot must kill you.

ThanksMsMay · 22/06/2017 19:54

However do the post while down the mine. And surprisingly good wifi connection on their oil rigs and all while dodging bullets!!

venusinscorpio · 22/06/2017 13:57

Ally Fogg is my absolute poster child for the misogynist in lefty dudebro clothing.

YY. He just loves the transagenda as it alllows him to criticise and bully women with impunity.

Collidascope · 22/06/2017 09:05

storify.com/marliesanna/more-transphobia-in-the-name-of-radical-feminism

Ally Fogg is indeed an arse. 'Cis females.' FFS.

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shinynewusername · 21/06/2017 23:38

I think it is scary the way the internet and social media feed misogyny. Obviously misogyny started in the garden of Eden Wink but, until the last 20 years, most normal men were not exposed to the ideas of men's rights activists, trans activists or violent porn. Yes, they grew up with male privilege and no doubt reinforced each other's sexist views at work or down the pub etc, but I can't believe most blokes spent much time discussing their hatred of feminism.

Now boys see abusive porn from their early teens (or earlier Sad ) and social media/the web are suffused with violent hatred of women. And women can't even talk about it because now that's transphobic Hmm

LastGirlOnTheLeft · 21/06/2017 22:57

That's exactly it, Scope! That phrase they use..'Well, you wanted equal rights...' STINKS!!

We ARE equal!! Of course we want equal rights!! Confused how stupid are men, that they can't see that?

Collidascope · 21/06/2017 22:33

I don't think I've ever read any Ally Fogg. That'll have to be tomorrow's task to get me too angry to work.

Men who blow their own ridiculous male trumpets and shoot down feminists on sites like the Daily Men are angry because we don't accept the subordination they want to keep opposing upon us.

Yes, definitely. So many comments start off with, 'well, they wanted equal rights!!!' to justify a woman getting punched or sold down the river when it comes to a divorce settlement. So many seem barely to be able to contain their rage that women didn't feel being dominated and used was all they were fit for.

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scallopsrgreat · 21/06/2017 21:11

Good blog post Hedghog. Thanks for that.

OublietteBravo · 21/06/2017 20:41

I wonder how many of those inventions were protected by patents that were drafted by female patent attorneys (there are a lot of us around). It's often how the invention is explained that really matters.

Krispiesquare · 21/06/2017 20:31

I once got the most downvoted comment on an article about Syrian child refugees and an absolute torrent of abuse for saying that I'd love to take one in Confused

PoochSmooch · 21/06/2017 20:23

Ally Fogg is my absolute poster child for the misogynist in lefty dudebro clothing. His type are the worst - at least with the out-and-out woman haters you know where you are, but shitweasels like this are a trickier proposition. It all sounds so reasonable on the surface, and he's just saying, and its' like you don't even really believe in equality

LastGirlOnTheLeft · 21/06/2017 19:33

Could it be that violence towards women is more acceptable than an unwillingness for women to accept their subordination?

This really stood out to me in that excellent blog, Hedgehog. Men who blow their own ridiculous male trumpets and shoot down feminists on sites like the Daily Men are angry because we don't accept the subordination they want to keep opposing upon us.

Well, they can do one!! Toe rags indeed!! (I love that term - it reminds me of my dad who used t all the time to describe disgusting men...and who told his five daughters we could do anything and be anything).

M0stlyBowlingHedgehog · 21/06/2017 19:16

ha ha I'm not alone in my views re. St. Ally

M0stlyBowlingHedgehog · 21/06/2017 18:45

Another Hedy Lamarr fan here!

But I agree that there's something particularly creepy about the left-wing under-the-radar misogynist. The sort who's all "well of course I respect women..." until you point out anything which cuts at their male privilege in the slightest. I remember getting totally slagged off by that little toe-rag Ally Fogg (he used to be one of their regular columnists who also used to spend half his life posting BTL) on the Guardian site for suggesting that the "women can't have it all" bullshit was something more than just existential "no-one of either sex gets to have the moon on a stick", and was in fact deeply gendered and misogynistic, because all sorts of assumptions get made about working mothers which never even get asked about working fathers. But no, apparently men face all the same issues regarding work-life balance and it's reverse sexism to suggest otherwise. Like I said, toe-rag.

NoLoveofMine · 21/06/2017 18:33

Very well put LastGirl.

Hedy Lemarr is indeed magnificent! There are so many fantastic women it's difficult to choose but she is most certainly inspiring. So many discoveries and inventions by women are intrinsic to so much we take for granted today and she is a fantastic example of this Grin

LastGirlOnTheLeft · 21/06/2017 18:20

I remember once I went on the Mail and reminded the knuckle-draggers there that, despite women being barred from university, not allowed to patent inventions in their own name and being horrifically and financially oppressed, they STILL managed to invent some incredible things. I had apoplectic and goggle-eyed men screaming at me for daring to suggest women were the equal of men (better a lot of the time).

My own personal fave NoLove is Hedy Lamarr. Her life story is so utterly inspiring and her inventions were used in the war to defeat the Nazis. They are incorporated into the Wifi systems we use today! All this while being a famous Hollywood actress and great beauty. Which I think shows the depth of her, the layers she had. I love her.

NoLoveofMine · 21/06/2017 18:06
Grin

But of course women are entirely incapable. Marie Curie, Ada Lovelace, Rosalind Franklin, Cecila Payne-Gaposchkin and countless others whose work is so key to so much despite being oppressed and in some cases having their work appropriated...but men did everything and all men (not not all men) deserve the credit.

LastGirlOnTheLeft · 21/06/2017 17:58

Yes, NoLove - they want it their own way all the time! Women and girls are to blame if we get raped walking home alone or getting drunk because what were we thinking???

But God forbid you then see men as Schrodinger's rapist!!!

I think men see themselves as something really special...each one wonderfully unique - different to all the others. And given a chance they too could create something as spectacular as the inventions of Edison or Bell. When really they are just bog standard, boring people with delusions of grandeur.😂

NoLoveofMine · 21/06/2017 17:43

It is quite something LastGirlOnTheLeft! Try to talk about male violence and it's "not all men, you're such an awful misandrist" (even if "some men" is stated these reactions are common) yet if some chap invents something they want to share in the credit and it proves "men" are all awe inspiring greats.

Similarly, it's often the same men who victim blame and go on about how women and girls have responsibility to avoid sexual assault and rape (and essentially say it's inevitable men will take advantage wherever possible) who complain feminists apparently think "all men are rapists" for discussing rape culture.

LastGirlOnTheLeft · 21/06/2017 17:36

Lol go right ahead NoLove!! It infuriates me that men go to massive lengths to distance themselves from males who commit violence and wreak havoc across the globe...yet think they too should be glorified because Thomas Edison happened to be a dude!! NAMALT obviously doesn't apply in those instances!!Hmm

I used to have a DM account and I would challenge all the sexism on there!! I used to throw out all the stats I had read here...like women do 70% of the world's work for 10% of the pay, and that women owned 1% of the world's property.

I got banned for apparently being reported so much for my stats that the mods had too much to do!

Collidascope · 21/06/2017 17:09

I want to know what MakeItStop's downvoted 8400 times comment was too.

I think the best one I got was on an article about Trump's Muslim ban. Lots of people were agreeing that he was right and that banning Muslims would lead to a veritable paradise with lambs lying down with lions etc. I pointed out that the best way to achieve this utopia was to ban all men if we were going down the road of tarring a whole group with the actions of a minority. There were thousands of comments and I was downvoted to second from bottom and got about 30 replies abusing me.

Thyme, the massive readership is what bothers me. It's that and the arrow system that makes me wonder if this is secretly what the men around me are thinking.

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OneFlewOverTheDodosNest · 21/06/2017 17:05

I definitely prefer the Daily Mail brand of misogyny to the Guardian brand of misogyny - at least it's blatant enough to know there's no point arguing with the fuckwits.

Sadly I think that at least 50% of men think like this, but the lefty ones are just better hiding it or WORSE citing some evo-psych bull crap and not realising it's about as convincing as saying "well the bible says..."

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 21/06/2017 16:41

There was a story (literally a story) about Muslims wanting to ban children being taught about Easter and the crucifixion. I merely pointed out that the crucifixion was not an appropriate thing to teach to children, what with all the torture, gore and death. And suggested it was akin to an episode of the Walking Dead. This was the last of a number of transgressions, and apparently I offended hundreds of people so wasn't welcome.

whoputthecatout · 21/06/2017 16:40

I think the Independent ones shock me because it's a lefty and, naively, I assume its readers are at least a bit progressive.

Never assume that OP. There is nothing like lefty males for being misogynists Grin

ThymeLord · 21/06/2017 16:34

You do realise you have to tell us what you were banned for saying Grin

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