It’s still not easy being a trans child (Guardian article)

Why aren't there any gender critical feminists on that panel? Or anyone not in a position to make money out of (or keep positions based on) an increase in the numbers of trans people?

And do none of those with "gender" in their job description (or in their department / institution) ever actually think about gender in any depth at all?

jamrock

Can you point out the manipulation that that link shows to the school?

The scenarios that show young girls being responsible for protecting men and boys. The fact that the word 'lesbian' is defined as one woman being attracted to another woman. Instead of same-sex attraction. Thereby letting a self identified woman (ie a man) be considered as a partner for a lesbian, etc.

I was outraged when I first read that document. But another poster said it was only in the planning stage and hadn't been disseminated throughout schools. It seems that things have moved on.

I've thought this too. I'm not a fan of the paper, but it does tackle these issues in its own inimitable way where others don't.

It's worth you both reading through the exposé in my link. And then, if you feel comfortable, asking the school about it. It's an utter disgrace.

jamerock

Was the information used at your child's school the one endorsed by the CPS, as suggested by Venus? Because it is shockingly biased and highly manipulative.

This link rips through it and exposes it for the propaganda it is.

www.transgendertrend.com/cps-schools-project-the-erasure-of-sex-and-the-silencing-of-girls/

jamrock

Here is an analysis of the murders of trans-people, using FBI stats.

medium.com/athena-talks/trans-murder-rates-the-data-120b60b19cb4

This (rate) is lower than both the murder rates of men (6.6) or women (1.8). So the data says that trans people are murdered at a lower rate than the general population. Being trans in 2015 in the United States actually lowered your chances of getting murdered.

That sounds like they used the CPS schools pack.

jamrock

That sounds absolutely horrific. Seriously, what is wrong with these people?!

Transwomen of colour who are prostitutes are at the highest risk of being harmed. I'll see if I can dig out the statistics, but being a white trans-person, in America, at least, actually is a more low risk than any other group.

Jamrock, your DS has obviously inherited your courage and determination to speak the truth. I'm sure you are very proud of him

So girls who like outdoor sports probably have male brains (yes coz that's a thing ) and are probably boys?! What the actual jeff is wrong with people who take this kind of stuff seriously?

And I'm not making light of self harm or suicide or the misery of being a teenager for a second, but isn't dissatisfaction with who you are and what your body looks like just part and parcel of the growing up process? It certainly was for me, and I often remember feeling like I wasnt a 'good' enough' girl because I had short hair and long limbs and wasn't sweet and adorable. Thank fuck there was no trans propaganda at the time

jamrock

The question I would be asking of the children in your daughter's class, and the ones you come across at work, is whether they have gender dysphoria. And if so, how it manifests.

It seems to me, that you can separate people out into those who have genuine gender dysphoria and those who feel a little disassociated, or just want to escape their stereotypical role.

None of which should preclude them from wearing what they like. I honestly don't see why it has to be a big deal, though. It's this, I have the brain of one sex in the body of another, nonsense that is making it all so difficult.

And when you start to lie and say it's possible to change sex.

And the conclusion of the piece I jsut linked to is really important, and surely activists like Paris Lees should heed its advice:

"Suicide is contagious. Suicidal ideation is incredibly dangerous, especially for young people. There are guidelines in place for reporting of suicide for a reason and, in the main, the press seem to follow them with one glaring exception – transgender people. Surely transgender people would be better served with a positive movement like It Gets Better rather than seeing their advocates and support organisations constantly telling people that they are a danger to themselves."

This is a pretty good analysis of the "50% of trans teens will attempt suicide based on a study of 2000 people" Mermaid claim

This is from the Office for National Statistics website.

Suicides by 10- to 29-year-olds increased throughout the mid 1980s up until the late 1990s before showing a steady decline until 2005. Since then, the rate has remained relatively stable. This age group has consistently had the lowest suicide rate since 2001.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/suicidesintheunitedkingdom/2014registrations#suicide-rates-by-age

Any suicide of a youngster, whether statistically significant or not, is obviously cause for great concern. I'm just not convinced that these kids are as at risk as the propaganda says. Or whether being trans is the cause, or other comorbid mental health issues. The prevalence of which is in no doubt at all.

Also, as a matter of interest, I googled 'trans teen suicides UK' and according to this list there haven't been any.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LGBT-related_suicides

jamrock

The teen trans-suicide statistics are misleading and have been used to blackmail parents of trans kids Here is a link explaining.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/fairplayforwomen.com/mermaids-lying-unprofessional-teli16/amp

Furthermore, for both self harming and suicide the statistics are the same for trans as they are for non-trans. Backed up by NHS figures.

Which is, of course, alarming in itself.

jamrock doesn't anyone ask themselves where all these suicidal trans teens were in previous generations?

And thank you for speaking up - it takes courage

The Intercom Trust is a great example of an organisation set up to combat homophobia and provide support to gay people that appears to have been completely co-opted by the T bit of LGBT.

Thinking about the "I just am" position, I do wonder if it particularly resonates with gay activists (who might themselves say that "they always knew" they were gay), and who don't therefore challenge it further