Paris Lees Article in the Graun

I asked what would people do in the case of a violent transwomen or male? Could they be in a women's prison?
I got deleted!
Poor vicki should have been supervised and perhaps I should have asked the question elsewhere. But don't open an article for comments if you don't want a healthy debate.

yep

I've skimmed the article and read the comments. So do i understand this right? Vikki didn't want to be in a women's jail but Paris Lees is hijacking her death to make this argument?

Paris Lees is a waste of skin.

My comment was moderated out of existence. I only said it was one person's very complex tragedy and it was exploitative to draw any conclusions from it that allowed Paris Lees to have another go at Jenni Murray. I was polite, and I was right.

why isnt my phone ringing now??? so self obsessed

maybe because this particular person didnt want to be in a womens jail anyway?

So why isn’t my phone ringing now?

Cos it's not about you Paris, or your agenda.

Suicides in custody are something we desperately need to tackle. It is shocking that so many people with poor MH are not in appropriate facilities with appropriate care which could massively reduce the death toll. From another article about Thompson:

Thompson is one of a long line of prisoners to take their own lives at HMP Leeds. Over the past five years there have been 14 self-inflicted deaths at the prison and a total of 33 since 1993, according to Minton Morrill Solicitors, who represented her family at the inquest.

During the 17-month period following her death, another five prisoners died there at their own hands.

Who knows their names? I don't and I bet Paris doesn't either.

I've just read all the comments, and the ones with highest scores are gender critical. It's really encouraging.

When I read the article, I thought this is the beginning of responses in the main stream media from the Trans Rights Activists to increasing Trans scepticism. It shows maybe the parameters of the debate are starting to change?

Guardian moderation is a fucking joke. Lees is a nasty individual though and I don't think he hides it well. Peak trans indeed.

When I transitioned the NHS let me down, and I had to wait almost two years to receive the hormone treatments and physical interventions that would go on to make my life much easier. During that period I was depressed, suicidal and taking a great deal of drugs to cope. Like Vikki, I ended up going to prison.

... is not what she said to the BBC in 2013.

Even moderate comments are being removed. I suggest people print screen shot when they post.

"So why isn’t my phone ringing now?". Someone dies and Paris lees wonders why people are not demanding their opinion on the matter?

I might be of interest to Paris, but the BBC have been investigating deaths in prison this week. But they have, controversially, spoken to experts on the matter.

*because of

"Transpeople wanted society to know about our existence"

Yeah we know some men prefer to wear dresses and makeup. We all know about your existence.

So.... when are you lot going to fight for trans only spaces, and transmen spaces in particular in prisons seeing as males are so violent?

It's like what came first the chicken or the egg. People who are trans have high rates of depression and attempted suicide and high rates of sexual violence and sexual crime, and high rates of addiction including masturbation / porn addiction. We are aware of this (hence female meaning female only spaces being of such concern).

Is being trans an expression of their mental illness or are they mentally ill because being of their treatment by society?

And why is it feminists job to sort it out?