Paris Lees Article in the Graun

In the USA you can be fined $250,000 for misgendering someone. But legislation is proposed to decriminalise knowingly infecting someone with HIV.

Christ, that's awful. So you can be fined for sticking with biological facts rather than playing along with someone's delusion.

she
pronoun
1.
used to refer to a woman, girl, or female animal previously mentioned or easily identified.
"my sister told me that she was not happy"
noun
1.
a female; a woman.
"is that a he or a she?"

he
pronoun
1.
used to refer to a man, boy, or male animal previously mentioned or easily identified.
"everyone liked my father—he was the perfect gentleman"
noun
1.
a male; a man.
"is that a he or a she?"
2.
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(in children's games) the player who has to catch the others; ‘it’.
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Nothing about gender in any of that. It's such an assault on language.

Nooooo whereyouleftit I need hope

Oleannsas all this trans crap sometimes makes me think we in a tyranný of the pigshit-thick.

"But dare I hope that the mindless SJW mob on high-alert to the transphobia dog-whistle are beginning to thin out?"
I would hope so too, but I fear what they are actually doing is hanging out on Twitter. I have never read such a load of bollocks-of-140-characters-or-less as I have recently.

My impression was that they're pretty sure they now own 'woman' and now they're claiming 'female'. Seriously, here's an example.

I can't work out whether, in that Vice article, Paris is being deliberately obtuse or just pig shit thick

And in parts of the US it's just fine for little girls to marry their rapists mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/opinion/sunday/it-was-forced-on-me-child-marriage-in-the-us.html. How's that for cis privilege?

Free speech is permitted, hate speech is not. Hate speech includes desiring or celebrating the erasure of a group or individual.

In the USA you can be fined $250,000 for misgendering someone. But legislation is proposed to decriminalise knowingly infecting someone with HIV.

As far as I know Free Speech is about the government not being able to legislate against you saying something.

I'm not sure how that is interpreted in terms of hate speech though.

So would making it illegal to misgender someone, for instance, be a curtailment of free speech?

Particularly as that legislation would be forcing you to actually lie.

The narcissism of the trans-ideology never ceases to amaze me. It really is all about them.

The thing is, even if Paris was right (which she's not), could she not have waited a few weeks to say it? The attack was 4 days ago!

Hate speech is:

Calling for the genocide of a population by extermination in death camps.

Hate speech is not:

Criticising the misogyny and stereotypes underpinning the delusions of males who think they are females.

Paris can't (or won't) distinguish between them.

www.vice.com/en_uk/article/paris-lees-on-katie-hopkins-free-speech-and-the-hypocrisy-of-the-left

FFS!!!! Paris Lees is making the Manchester attack all about her and trans women! Unbelievable!

The article basically says that everyone is rushing to defend Katie Hopkins hate speech as freedom of speech, but nobody did the same when Germaine Greer was making 'hate speech' towards transgender people.

I mean, really?!?

*"When anti-transphobia campaigners objected to Greer being offered a platform, we were told that free speech was absolute. That anyone could say anything anywhere and no one had any right to object to it or seek to take that person's platform away from them. Trans people asked: "Well where do you draw the line?" and were told, "There is no line!"

As Hopkins has demonstrated this week: OF COURSE THERE IS A FUCKING LINE. The question is and always will be: where do you draw it?"*

It's never been about safety. It's always about validation.

Yeah that's something I've never understood. If MtTs want to use our (female) toilets to avoid the males in the men's rooms, why demand self declaration laws that will allow those males to come right on in with them to our female toilets, unchallenged? It makes no sense.

I wonder if the mods just knocked off early or if Paris abandoned report-button sentry...

But dare I hope that the mindless SJW mob on high-alert to the transphobia dog-whistle are beginning to thin out?... ...... I would like to think that the grotesque Frankenstein's Monster of 3rd Wave feminism/sex possie/queer theory is grinding to a halt and the hot air and bullshit that fuelled it is now just running on fumes. Perhaps the young women who got sucked in have grown up a bit and are starting to see sense.

My pessimistic side is that the large contingent of the MRA's who posed online as 3rd wave feminists to stoke the whole thing have backed off that one - , now that the unforeseen consequence of their interference seems to mean they have just opened the door for other men to get into women's changing rooms... not something they want if they actually get to 'claim' a female for themselves...

I just checked the article again, and my comment has not been deleted!

Are the Guardian finally waking up?!?

The rate of suicide in prisons is shockingly high compared to the general population - this short report from the Howard League is a helpful summary of the issue, though doesn't remark on the difference between male and female suicide rates (perhaps that means that there isn't one?)

After even five minutes reading into the issue, I can see a far better angle that Paris could have taken: it's clear that there are "protective factors" which help reduce the risk of prisoner suicide, and there appears to be evidence to show that the use of solitary confinement or limited socialisation increases the risk. This links into the wider question of how the prison system should manage trans prisoners, as the current model of placing them in prison according to their sex but limiting their general circulation in the institution (for their own protection) could be argued to be increasing their risk of suicide. If Paris had written a thoughtful piece about this, it would have more impact IMHO than the whiny "everyone is ignoring us and what about meeeeeeeee" article that the Grauniad ran instead

The problem Lees has is she has the writing style of a third rate Julie Burchill impersonator coupled with one USP.

In theory the one place where it should be almost impossible to commit suicide should be a prison. There are failings in the prison system as a whole although isn't it the case it is young offenders of both sexes who are most at risk?

Paris trying to whip up outraged support for her cause, rather than engage in analytical journalism? Surely not!

It does very much feel like Paris hasn't bothered to find out the true facts of the case and has just decided to run with the narrative that will whip up the most sympathy. I do feel sorry for Vicky actually, which is more than I do for other people who have committed suicide in jail whose names I don't even know. What does Paris actually want? It just felt like an angry rant rather than a genuine analysis of what happened and what should happen in future.

Clearly there was no weapon but given Thompson took the teenage girl's phone and attempted to snatch the mum's, it sound like there was a bit of a tussle. I've had someone do that to me and it was horrible.

But I'm not trying to say they were horribly violent - just a really sad and messed up individual. Alcoholic mother, no dad, taken into care because of physical abuse at a few months' old - the reports make pretty grim reading.

Does mugging include violence or is it just bagsnatching?

I think she already had a 12 month suspended sentence for another offence so sent to jail for this one.

Mugging a teenage girl and her mum: www.keighleynews.co.uk/news/11886167.Keighley_woman_accused_of_robbing_girl__15__of_mobile_phone/

Yes, the highly-ranked comments are overwhelmingly gender critical! It looks like things may finally be turning round.

Out of interest, what was Thompson's crime? Does anyone know?

Vikki's case is terribly sad all round, I believe.

The media is generally pretty quiet about deaths in custody - I reckon that Vikki's got more coverage than the average because she identified as a woman (but had not got a GRC, nor asked to be held in a male prison according to a number of accounts). So this really is Paris using a tragedy for her own self-promotion

Meanwhile I think this article about how people are treated differently as men or as women is a far more interesting read