Male TERFS...

Holly came from Miami F.L.A.
Hitch-hiked her way across the U.S.A.
Used women's loos at service stations on the way
Shaved her legs and then he was a she
She said, hey cis scum, take a walk on the wild side,
Said, hey TERF, take a walk on the wild side.

Yes Terfing! I have thought exactly the same thing. It's terrible that women can't seem to be able to speak about this without being ridiculed or told to shut up, but if you agree that there is such a thing as a patriarchy (which I do) then it stands to reason that until men speak up about this few will listen. Men are the ones who have the most influence and power so of course they need to be engaged in the debate. Not only that but be proactive in getting it shut down. I've got a list in my head of men I want to write to about it precisely because of this.

What's the Friends/Beatles things they could tantrum over?

There were two lesbians on Friends (Carol and Susan). Will they be saying that one of them is actually trans? I haven't seen Friends in a while so there might be more stuff.

The Beatles song Get Back has the lyrics - Sweet Loretta Martin thought she was a woman but she was another man.

Yeah - that bacteria one is an outright lie:

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2695466/

In particular, microscopy of Gram-stained neovaginal smears revealed a mixed microflora that was even more complex and denser than the one observed in biological women with bacterial vaginosis

The Beatles thing is the song Get Back.

What's the Friends/Beatles things they could tantrum over?

Also, with regards to bacteria in transwomen's neovaginas - I don't think a low bacteria count was this person's experience - www.refinery29.uk/transgender-vagina-surgery.

It's definitely great to see men speaking out about this though it also saddens me that women are still not taken seriously on an issue until men speak out about the same issue. It's not hugely surprising though as women never seem to be taken seriously on anything.

That Lou Reed stuff is ridiculous. Seriously?! What's next, Friends? The Beatles?

And yes, that National Geographic article is really frustrating to read. It really bothers me that they wrote transgender female not transgender woman. Female is a sex not a gender so therefore cannot be changed. It's infuriating.

Interesting the trans activists havent come out in force against Friends yet. Its almost as if they've never watched it.

More men need to see transactivist posts like this one :

I saw an interesting video by a transwoman the other day. They talk about the Lou Reed song as an example of how 'trans stuff' (the word they used would get me deleted) has always had an element of sexiness to it.

That article you linked to was infuriating, DJ.

This particularly:
'an acronym for “Trans Exclusive Radical Feminist”. The people it is used to refer to are Radical Feminists who don’t include Trans people in their activism. That is not a slur or an insult but a literal, factual description of their position.'

What the author means is they don't centre trans women in their activism. And even if the author equates 'not centralising' with 'excluding', they're still wrong. Any activism that campaigns for protection of the right to have an abortion or the right not to be grabbed by the pussy does support the rights of many trans men. It isn't therefore trans exclusionary.

WhereYouLeftIt, you are right, they are some good comments on that link, its refreshing. The only thing that touches men is dating and sex. Men fear, both for personal safety and socially, of being with a MTT. And that's the biggest hurdle the trans community face. That's why there isn't a a male equivalent of the cotton ceiling, forcing themselves into male pants may well be their downfall.

Complaining about Lou Reed is mind blowing. Absolutely bonkers. It may represent how young and unaware tra are, or how rigid their thinking is.

On a side note, I hope the university will also be apologizing to women every time they play a misogynistic song?

This is what really grates. I cannot put the radio on or go to the shops, let alone visit a bar or restaurant without being subjected to endless glorifying references to rape, DV and abuse. Often sung by perpetrators of the same.

But one song, written in support and without hate and not only are the fuckwit TAs getting upset but the university is falling over itself to apologise to the snivelling professionally offended.

I'm agog at the Lou Reed article.

Arnold Layne by Pink Floyd, anyone?

When will this madness end?!?

Women are always taken less seriously than men in every topic

Lou would be on our side without doubt. As would bowie. Wishing Nicky Wire would catch onto all this.

The positive responses seem to mostly be women saying thank you.

But yes women are not taken seriously on this issue.

What??

They are criticizing Walk on the Wild side

What about Dude looks like a lady?

Seriously though...Walk on the wild side is a classic

And yes to more men speaking out,

This is the kind of thing Graham Linehan has to put up with;

medium.com/@AlexaEphemera/its-time-to-call-out-graham-linehan-s-ugly-transphobia-30b15be317a5

Lou Reed fans and friends heading for peak trans:

www.theguardian.com/music/2017/may/20/lou-reed-walk-wild-side-transphobic-lyrics-canada

Interesting comments being made on this article:

Contestant on ABC's The Bachelorette slammed for transphobic views.

"A 31-year-old firefighter from Orlando named Bryce was asked what his biggest dating fear is and he replied: ‘The chick is actually a dude.’"

Yeah, the lefty dudebros get all the kudos of supporting something perceived to be "progressive" (ha) whilst risking absolutely nothing themselves. Very convenient.

Yes agree men don't get half as much abuse, surprise surprise... And I do begrudgingly feel that they need to be on board for this to be taken seriously. It's difficult though. Women and children are the ones with most at stake so it's harder for men to see/care about the issue imo.

I only just saw the Lou Reed stuff! WOW. I can't wait til they discover The Kinks