Male TERFS...

Terfing

There is now some interest in transplanting a woman's uterus into a man.

mobile.nytimes.com/2015/11/16/insider/will-uterine-transplants-make-male-pregnancy-possible.html

My thoughts on the subject are perfectly summed up by the exchange in this photo. (Warning, might trigger blood pressure overload).

There was an excellent and very sad documentary about gay Iranians being forced to trans or leave Iran made a little while back. One of the young men who were followed talked about the pressure put on them to transition and their subsequent pain on discovering that while they had been a pretty man, they were not a pretty woman and found that they weren't desirable to men any more. It was heartbreaking to see how miserable they were (especially as they had ended up a refugee regardless, so effectively forced to transition and still losing their home and community).

These idiots will take themselves down.

Such a high level of narcissism will be their undoing.

Both Juno and Shon Faye are so caught up in their own ego driven narrative that they don't realise how obvious their prejudice is.

The feminists' radar was so finally honed, that they spotted it immediately.

But it really does not require any kind of intuition. The self-interest and self absorption is so prevalent, they expose themselves unwittingly.

Very true, Empress. And very telling. Homophobia is only really serious when it involves men.

None of them were worried about homophobia when it was just lesbians being attacked, of course...

God, Shon Faye's a numpty too.

It is quite entertaining watching the SJWs turn on each other though - thanks for the twitter link, datun. Must be intersectional! Argh, but this is homophobic? What to do...? (Blame TERFs? Yeah, that'll do).

I think this will peak trans a lot of gay men. Population by population, people are realising that this is not just as straightfoward as supporting an oppressed group in a rights struggle.

It honestly blows my mind that people see this as a progressive stance. This is how people talked about being gay in the 80s in the wee village I grew up in - that being gay is effeminate, that it means gay men are really women, that they're not "real" men.

Yes Pooch. Also reminds me of when I've heard people say things about butch gay women, 'trying to be men' etc.

The independent article I just linked to mentions the gay men in Iran who are pressured to transition because it's more acceptable for them to be 'women' than to be gay men.

I've just read this response from a gay man.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/juno-dawson-attitude-magazine-interview-transgender-gay-man-lgbt-trans-woman-a7752701.html

The independent article also quotes Dawson as having said, "I just wanted to get f**d like a woman. That's what it's about. It's not about what hole it's going in"

Seems Juno is getting some backlash from gay men who don't quite like being told they're doing gay all wrong.

mobile.twitter.com/AttitudeMag/status/867349180662075392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fgendertrender.wordpress.com%2F2017%2F05%2F25%2Fthe-gay-consolation-prize-by-juno-dawson%2F

Shon Faye saying the same as Juno Dawson.

attitude.co.uk/its-not-homophobic-to-say-some-gay-men-are-actually-trans-i-should-know-i-was-one-of-them/

He also said that, and this was only his opinion, that in his experience, gay men are always looking for a hero. A tall, dark handsome stranger. And although they realise the contradiction, they would like them to be straight. So overcome by feeling, that they can't help falling in love with another man.

Which is basically a combination of the media's fantasies for women "tall dark man to save you"

And the one for Hetero men. A virgin who's overcome and submits to you only.

I've read some of the studies, I think by Blanchard, who said that gay men will transition to be women because they want to attract straight men, not gay men.

Which is homophobia in the purest sense, I guess.

I had a long, drunken conversation with my boss (who was gay) years ago. He said several things that resonated with me.

One of them was that because they couldn't be married (this was a while ago) or because they didn't have children, certain milestones were very important to gay men. Like anniversaries, birthdays, Christmas, etc. There were fewer 'celebration days'. Which stuck with me. (So I always make a big deal out of these things, now).

He also said that, and this was only his opinion, that in his experience, gay men are always looking for a hero. A tall, dark handsome stranger. And although they realise the contradiction, they would like them to be straight. So overcome by feeling, that they can't help falling in love with another man.

I'm sure it's not like that for everyone, but whenever a man says he's really a woman, but remains attracted to men, bells go off for me.

Posted too early.

The football team that's made up of gay men who were forced to transition. So in other words a human rights violation for gay men. They've updated the article now to reflect it, but it was awful

Pink news is shit though. It happily reported on the Iranian football team that's so trans positive.

Juno Dawson is a YA author.

I can see that article causing quite a backlash. Have Pink News covered it yet?

Trans women are often 'lesbians' (heterosexual males who fetishise women's bodies and eroticise themselves as women) or they are 'straight' (homosexual males who for various reasons, often internalised homophobia or highly homophobic families view themselves as really heterosexual women) Juno Dawson is the latter. Juno's views are highly offensive as gay men have been viewed as wannabe women or failed women for decades and they went through years of activism to throw off that belief and claim their identities as gay men

Except aren't most of them 'lesbians'?

It's really offensive. I've known a lot of gay men and they're all very happy being exactly that. I hope they'll see this and fight back.

Bloody hell.

Could the homophobia be any more transparent?

It honestly blows my mind that people see this as a progressive stance. This is how people talked about being gay in the 80s in the wee village I grew up in - that being gay is effeminate, that it means gay men are really women, that they're not "real" men.

WE ARE GOING BACKWARDS.

There is a lot of discussion on Twitter.

I'm lost for words.

This might inspire a few more men to join the cause: attitude.co.uk/a-lot-of-gay-men-are-gay-men-as-a-consolation-prize-because-they-couldnt-be-women-says-trans-author-juno-dawson/

“I think there are a lot of gay men out there who are gay men as a consolation prize because they couldn’t be women. That was certainly true of me.” - Juno Dawson

Well my husbsnd gets it, i think the sports issues are pretty clear cut for most folk to see how ridiculous it is.

Also had my first conversation on it with my 14 yr old son this morning who turns out is very gender critical and was rolling his eyes at SJW's and their safe spaces.