Is there a red pill movie thread here?

No it shouldn't be banned, I don't agree with what these people are saying but that doesn't mean they don't get to express their views. Let their views stand or fall on their own merits.

No, not in favour of it being banned. I'm all for these men being exposed for the assholes they are, even better when they do it with their own words.

No, I wouldn't be in favour of it being banned. I much prefer letting these idiots say their pieces in public so we can all understand where they're coming from.

Do you think it should be banned, (as in parts of Australia following a campaign) or should people be able to go and see it and make up their own mind?

This is a pretty good description of the founder of The Red Pill, who has now thankfully resigned as a state senator but who implied that rape isn't an absolute bad, because the rapist enjoys it. www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2017/04/25/the-daily-beast-takes-on-the-creepy-republican-politician-who-founded-the-red-pill-subreddit/

Completely unbiased film nothing to see.

But it's just fine because she's got new friends. Like one of the executive producers, Mike Cernovich, who, um, donated to the kickstarter. And Matt Fortey, a man who thinks the made Clinton sick using his mind.

SylviaPoe. Yes that'd be it!

I would also be interested to know what rights men think they don't have.

For example Brexit

This thread in tellyaddicts discusses the rape of young girls as per the BBC mini series Three Girls. It's available now to catch up on the BBC and shows tonight and tomorrow.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/telly_addicts/2931129-three-girls-bbc-9pm?pg=2

Setting aside the issue of funding, like asassinated suggests, I wonder if fans of the film genuinely think it could offer balance if it doesn't interview any of the numerous women that A Voice For Men have boasted that they've harrassed, threatened, doxxed, bullied and in general been absolutely vile about?

If they put on a good show for this film, then an honest film-maker should surely have put at least a token effort into looking at what happens when they're not on their best behaviour?

The film discusses numerous issues facing men and boys such as male suicide rates, workplace fatalities and high-risk jobs, false allegations of rape, military conscription, lack of services for male victims of domestic violence and rape, higher rates of violent victimization, issues concerning divorce and child custody, disparity in criminal sentencing, disproportionate funding and research on men's health issues, educational inequality, societal tolerance of misandry, and men's lack of reproductive rights.

Brexit Why would these issues be discussed in a women's rights forum? If you really feel these issues are being ignored then put it in AIBU, Chat, Film. Hope that helps.

Women are not on this board to sort out the rights of men because they know that men are not stupid and can sort these things out for themselves.

Yes, well, Jaye has said a lot of stuff that turns out to be...shall we say..less than accurate? like claiming to have won a prize at Cannes (she has not won a prize at Cannes).

She also said at the outset of filmaking that she wouldn't accept donations from organisations with any biased agendas - I think that self evidently didn't happen.

This from an interview she did:

"Jaye explained in her Kickstarter plea video that she refused to accept funding from ideologically-driven organizations in order to keep the film “non-partisan”—but now her documentary on men’s rights activists is, as she puts it, “kind of being funded by men’s rights advocates"

link here

Iirc, only men can take the blue pill anyway. Women don't see the truth due their natural solipsism.

Ahh. So we've taken the Blue Pill then

scallops it's the title of a men's rights reddit. Where the same old tired tropes are bashed out by men who truly hate women.

Ok, so let's say the film and its maker are independent and that people like Milo Y didn't have any creative input. What issues does it raise that are important for feminists to discuss?

Also, as an aside, what rights do you think men in the UK do not have?

I thought the Red Pill was a common reference in feminism to when you can't unsee the sexism and misogyny in the world? So this film has misappropriated that expression? .

Funny how "defending free speech" always seems to refer to men being able to maintain male privilege.

Ah, sorry, yes, I've got you and the OP muddled.

I've watched interviews with her. I wouldn't put her on the same level as Louis Theroux when it comes to interviewing people with crazy/abhorrent/unusual view points.

ChocChocPorridge
I came here because the tread was on active and I was aware there was a lot of misinformation being spread by people who hadn't actually seen the film. Cassie has said in interviews, which you can find on youtube, that she maintained full creative control and refused a film grant in order to ensure that, besides a lot of the film was recorded before she went to kickstarter

She didn't question them a lot, she asked some basic questions but for the most part just let them speak.

Thanks Pooch.

...and I'm back in the room.

do you have any sources that state who all the donations were from and the input they had into it?

Well, other than that Cassie Jaye herself said that most of the funding came from a Breitbart appeal/MRA/Alt-right sources...?

And that one of them started to stalk her...and she says herself that they're "pretty terrifying".

Mike Cernovitch, who pledged $10,000 dollars to the film, says pretty explicitly: "If you think Cassie Jaye is going to say whatever she wants about “our issues,” forget it" (from his own website here)

I don't think any of this would make the handbook of Investigative Documentary Making.

Chocolate, yes, I know you do. You've said several times and explained why.

No, the film was funded on kickstarter by anonymous people, there was no way for them to have any input

Not really - there's community and comment tabs, you can view page after page of contributors (although you can't see how much they contributed) - you can't donate anonymously, although you can pick your username (people don't tend to be as creative as here)

TBH feels a bit to me like you fancied coming in here to wind up the feminists - there's plenty of places it could go that are relevant.

I mean, there's whole subs on reddit dedicated to MRA/red pill stuff if that's what you want to discuss.

SylviaPoe
I think this is the most relevant place for a thread like this to be

Xenophile
No, the film was funded on kickstarter by anonymous people, there was no way for them to have any input