disgusting views from men on a sexist website...

And i had lumpy legs before the weight gain and loss.

YY Avon Throw lipodema into the mix and its even harder. I have it inherited from my grandmother.

Despite a 10 stone loss i have lumpy legs.

So give me an example of harsh, if like you say I deserve

Wizard, just don't be a twat, simple as.

I feel that comment is a bit harsh

I thought it was tame. really.

I don't deserve such profanity directed towards me

I beg to differ.

Welcome to Mumsnet.

Oh dear, we have a live one...

I feel that comment is a bit harsh and that I don't deserve such profanity directed towards me

And you're a fuckwit.

We all have our crosses to bear.

Just don't be fat, simple as

Well, bugger me, I'll let everyone know.

Just don't be fat, simple as

"Bit of a non-sequiteur, this post. Better? Better in what way, in whose view? Do you mean "an unfit woman can look nice, but an unfit man can't"? It's just personal preference. I look fucking fantastic when I'm at peak strength. Muscles everywhere. Lovely grin because, to me an athletic physique "looks better"."

Obviously everyone has different preferences, but there IS a general, overall consensus. That's why models exist. That's why they always pick a certain physique for 'get beach body ready' posters!

What I meant was, I've known plenty of girls who never, ever went to the gym or did much exercise, and yet lots of people considered them to have great bodies, because they were slim-waisted, busty, curvy or what have you. Its less common to see men who never dio any kind of exercise and yet are considered to have great bodies. Or, to put it another way, if you lined up a load of slightly out of shape, slightly overweight men and women, I'd bet that more people would think more of the women were better looking, physique-wise.

"It's not just "easier" for men to have a lower body fat percentage. It's physiologically not possible for a woman to get to as low a body fat percentage as a man. We have breasts, for a start. A reasonably fit man can quite happily maintain a sub-10% body fat, but a woman at sub 10% would almost certainly be quite ill."

That's not what I meant. A woman could have 20% body fat and a man could have 25%, therefore the woman has lower body fat than a man. I meant men can generally maintain and lose body fat easier than women, for a variety of reasons.

What's this easy way for men to lose weight??
(If it involves fewer cakes then that's very hard).

It involves fewer beers. i guess near impossible

For people who claim to want to "go their own way" they seem to spend an inordinate amount of time angrily obsessing about how awful women are for not seeing them as Adonis-esque figures. I would be more than happy if they "went their own way", especially if that way was the opposite direction from any I'm heading in.

On the other hand, they think all women have to do is "not be fat" and men will throw themselves at them.

Or that women would even want such a situation. I and doubtless many others would rather not get any such attention from men most of the time.

Yes, that's a mysoginist movement and forum. That kind of think does seep into other fitness forums, though, but not quite as much.
bb.com is pretty awful.

Their whole thinking is based upon very narrow preferences though. They think only the super ripped, muscular look is attractive to women, and without that, and all the hard work it entails, women won't look twice at them.
On the other hand, they think all women have to do is "not be fat" and men will throw themselves at them.
Very narrow thinking.

What's this easy way for men to lose weight??
(If it involves fewer cakes then that's very hard).

massive cry wanks

I know I shouldn't laugh, but...

If feminists do this too, it's just as stupid, don't get me wrong.
I'm on a few RadFem groups, and there are many victims of sexual assault, so even though the stereotype "all men rape" is stupid, but in that context - understandable.

Xenophile, I think I love you

Mig-Tows are sad, pasty, misogynist individuals who are very angry that due to being sad, pasty, misogynist individuals no woman would willingly want to have a relationship with them. Boo fucking hoo.

Newsflash.

No one owes anyone sex, or their time, or their company ever.

Most of them seem quite happy to pay to have sex on prostituted women though, so not quite going their own way. Shame, I'm pretty sure most people would simply love for them to quietly go their own way instead of having massive cry wanks about it on the internet.

I agree with the OP on there. Women can 'get away' with carrying a higher percentage of body fat, not because we want special lady privileges, but because that's the way our bodies are designed! It is one of the fundamental ways in which male and female bodies differ.

So although I think the OP makes a good point, the rest of the posts are fucking awful.

Women are lazy and can't cope with hard physical work eh? I'm guessing most of those blokes have never seen a woman give birth then! They're also assuming that women who spend hours on treadmills are representative of all women who enjoy fitness.

One of the posters wants people to play a tiny violin for him because in order to attract a mate, he feels he has to spend every waking moment in the gym in between downing protein shakes. 🙄 It doesn't appear to have occurred to him that perhaps the type of women he is attempting to appeal to are probably not the right 'type' for him.

But yeah, it's so easy for women, all we have to do is just not eat all the pies. 😂

It's definitely easier for men to have lower body fat, but then I'd also say that women can look 'better' (physically/in their bodies I mean) when not training in any way

Bit of a non-sequiteur, this post. Better? Better in what way, in whose view? Do you mean "an unfit woman can look nice, but an unfit man can't"?

It's just personal preference. I look fucking fantastic when I'm at peak strength. Muscles everywhere. Lovely because, to me an athletic physique "looks better".

It's not just "easier" for men to have a lower body fat percentage. It's physiologically not possible for a woman to get to as low a body fat percentage as a man. We have breasts, for a start. A reasonably fit man can quite happily maintain a sub-10% body fat, but a woman at sub 10% would almost certainly be quite ill.

It's definitely easier for men to have lower body fat, but then I'd also say that women can look 'better' (physically/in their bodies I mean) when not training in any way.

There are some fitness forums I do not visit anymore for this reason (worst offender: Mark Rippetoe).

You can just see the insecurity and bitterness dripping off these comments, and I have no time for this anymore (also, I have promised myself to stop getting so angry at strangers on the Internet).

OP if you're looking for a good fitness forum, I can recommend Fitocracy. They have a very supportive community, and people there are very respectful

Ah, the manosphere

They only seem to have a very rudimentary grasp of physiology. That men can (and in fact should) maintain a lower body fat percentage than women is not because women lack moral fibre or the will to train. It's just a biological fact.

But I expect it's far more fun for these tragic little misogynists with mummy issues to let it all feed into their turbo charge sense of injustice. Bless.