All gender toilets

MissBax

Say in your email that the toilets with the dual facilities should be the ones that are gender neutral. As they can accommodate both sexes.

If they decide that for some reason men being embarrassed is worse because they have their dicks out, you could ask why men's embarrassment trumps that of women's?

I bet you the people dreaming this up will be men.

Be explicit. Make them face up to facts. Talk about women needing the toilet to throw up in if they are pregnant (not a man's problem), talk about miscarriages and the significant number that take place on a toilet (not a man's problem).
Talk about heavy periods and getting blood on your hands (not a man's problem).

Women want their own toilets because of privacy and dignity. But, but no-one gives a shit about that, so there are significant biological reasons as well.

You can bet your bloody life, if they make the men's toilets gender neutral, a mere whiff of embarrassment and self-consciousness will have the men complaining in droves.

Because they just don't bloody get it.

Make them.

It's on the wiki and we have a flag: gender.wikia.com/wiki/Agender

Demand your own toilets, Jellyfrizz.

All gender? Where do I wee if I'm agender then?

"they could have asked for some feedback from the women who have been imposed upon first?"

What would they do if women said no?

MissBax

Email. Definitely. Leave a paper trail.

I will cheerfully support any campaign for extra, gender neutral facilities but it's up to trans people to start that campaign.

I have never seen, read or heard of a transwoman being the slightest bit interested in campaigning for their own facilities. It completely defeats the object of validation and/or facilitating their autogynephilia.

SylviaPoe

Excellent point. The ones which should be gender neutral are the ones with the most facilities.

if this was something they intended to do surely they could have asked for some feedback from the women who have been imposed upon first?

Yeah. Right.

As there are people who are not men who may want to use urinals, common sense dictates that the toilets that also have urinals in them are the ones that get changed to gender neutral.

OP are you going to raise this with the University? The simplest stance is why have men been allowed to keep single sex toilets which reduces the number of toilets available to women?

Men will choose the alternative cubicles for perfectly legitimate reasons- if the cubicles in the men's are full or they don't want to use a urinal.

They might be a minority but I know men who really don't like pee'ing in front of other men. Someone at work uses a unisex single occupancy cubicle 2 floors above his level for that reason.

I suspect they'd get their extra unisex / 'all genders' toilets a helluva lot quicker than disabled people got accessible facilities.

Certainly, they would. But they don't want them.
The new trans movement is all about invading women's spaces. It's the whole point of it.

I agree that it isn't fair for disabled people, to suddenly change their toilets. Although, how many transpeople can there be?

Indeed. If the only option for trans is the disabled toilet, if therefore identifying as trans doesn't mean a male gets to invade women's spaces, there'll be much fewer trans people than disabled people.

It is only when identifying as trans gives men opportunity to molest women and invade women's spaces that it gets wildly popular with men and the numbers of allegedly trans males skyrockets.

The right answer is to keep existing toilets segregated by sex and to keep the accessible toilet primarily for disabled people. If trans people don't feel their requirements are being met they can campaign for the extra facilities they need, just as disabled people have. I suspect they'd get their extra unisex / 'all genders' toilets a helluva lot quicker than disabled people got accessible facilities. Frankly they could demand the moon on a stick right now and the world would bend over backwards to provide it.

I will cheerfully support any campaign for extra, gender neutral facilities but it's up to trans people to start that campaign. Meanwhile women are allowed to have boundaries without having to come up with solutions to the problem of where everybody else goes for a piss.

hazeydays14

I agree that it isn't fair for disabled people, to suddenly change their toilets. Although, how many transpeople can there be?

But, in any event, gender neutral doesn't specify trans, it means anyone.

We have 'all gender toilets', 'women's toilets' and 'urinals' (there are also a couple of cubicles in there).

But staff training is that women (incl transwomen) can use the women's toilets and anyone at all can choose to use the urinals.

Men's loos have some cubicles as well as urinals. I'd argue with the facilities management to have all loos made unisex, and start marching into the (former) men's. Then see how long the policy lasts...

I agree that it shouldn't just be women's privacy that is taken away. Like I said I was merely commenting from a practical point of view it may be why the men's toilets weren't chosen.

In my uni they changed the SU disabled toilets to have a transgender sign on the door as they were unisex anyway. This seems like a better idea wrt safeguarding women's spaces but you'd have people arguing that it would affect those that need the disabled toilets so short of building new facilities I'm not sure what the right answer would be.

MissBax

Changing toilets has been discussed many times on the feminist boards.

Most women disagree profoundly with allowing men into their space.

But it really takes the biscuit if it's only women who are being forced to do this.

If they say it's because of the urinals and the men might feel embarrassed, you need to come back with the argument of why are women okay to be embarrassed, but not men?

Why can women's boundaries be violated but not men's? Ask for the reasons in writing.

Why are female students washing a moon cup in the sink, less entitled to privacy than men taking a piss?

It infuriates me that we have to defend ourselves like this.

I don't want to share a toilet with men, none of them are house trained, it would be slippery with piss everywhere and God knows what kind of filth.