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XX people having their own gaming tournament? This will not do!

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coleridge · 05/05/2017 21:28

www.buzzfeed.com/lanesainty/trans-women-barred-from-gaming-tournament?utm_term=.dxXk1oYpM#.ngleaLmZg

Trans women want to attend a female-only gaming tournament, tournament organisers are horrendous awful bigots for wanting them to confirm their legal gender in an attempt to protect the tournament from getting trolled by men.

I love gaming and always have and while there are some fantastic men who love it when someone else shares their hobby, far too many male gamers are extremely hostile to female gamers.

These trans women were not told they were not women or could not attend, the organisers just wanted to be clear that they had taken the steps to change their legal gender. How horrible, how bigoted.

Glad to see some in the comments have sense.

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DameDeDoubtance · 06/05/2017 08:22

We no longer have the right to meet without men being present Sad

treaclesoda · 06/05/2017 08:07

If transwomen are so keen on their opportunity to shine, they could always organise a transwomen gaming contest all of their own...Hmm

Collidascope · 06/05/2017 08:01

I've been reading through those comments underneath and they're awful. Lesbians being told they're transphobic if they don't want to sleep with a 'woman' with a penis.
I think the conflation of the words 'sex' and 'gender' is massively problematic and omnipresent at the moment. You fill out the discrimination part of a job application and you'll be asked for your gender rather than your sex despite the fact that it is sex which might form the grounds of discrimination, not 'gender (whatever gender is).

I don't know if it's arisen originally because we're a bit prudish about saying "sex" or if it's intentionally to blur the lines between biology and a feeling of identity, but it really does hinder argument. I always like the response when faced with the cotton ceiling argument that "I'm heterosexual/homosexual, not heterogenderal/homogenderal."

hesterton · 06/05/2017 07:31

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ChocChocPorridge · 06/05/2017 07:25

I've seen this reported elsewhere now, and it seems to me what really upsets them, is that they were asked to prove they were female, and other females weren't.

ie. they were upset that they were recognised as male and asked to prove that they'd made some effort to transition.

They're mainly angry because a group of women pointed out that they can tell they're not women and that they are expected to actually have done something else to justify their inclusion (and it seems that had they been able to provide it, they would have been let in no problem)

Male entitlement showing through there. Expecting women to lie to them to make them feel better and excuse them from doing any work.

WhereYouLeftIt · 06/05/2017 04:32

I wonder if the organisers anticipated the problem - calling the tournament 'Counter-Strike: Global Offensive 5on5 Female Open Summer 2017' (my bolding). Not 'Women's Open' - 'Female Open'.

Maybe not, could just be the translation since it was held in Germany. But still, I wonder ...

nooka · 06/05/2017 02:25

I don't think Tara was even 'living like a woman' anyway, not many women make their living from their 'seven inch surprises' after all. The reason Tara was transferred was due to perceived prettiness. Which I guess feeds into the perception that all that matters is passing.

OlennasWimple · 06/05/2017 02:10

So in short, people entering a women-only event are asked to provide legal documentation that proves that they are eligible to enter. People are unable to do so, and kick off that it is all very unfair. Admin repeats again that all they need to do is provide documentation that demonstrate that they are eligible to enter. People flounce and go to the media.

Is that right?

BTW I love the BTL comments from Syd Munroe:

^oh for fucksake if you are changing your name, eye colour(permenantly) or nationality never mind your gender ,the onus is on you to ensure your identifying documents are up to date and reflect such changes. Otherwise what's the fucking point of I.D
It can cost between 80-300 quid yes but that's for all changes and unlike with other changes there's no shortage of advocacy groups that would willingly help young and or unemployed transgender beings with both the process and cost. Thusly the folks above are crying discrimination just because they'really fucking lazy entitled fucking brats AKA bitch as punks^

This was, for me, the salient point for Tara Hudson (I think it was) who had been living as a woman for many years before she received a prison sentence and was sent to a men's prison because she hadn't sorted out the necessary paperwork to be treated as a woman.

I don't get why if this is so very important to your sense of identity, and you are publically "out" (so there are no concerns about employment discrimination etc as a result of the documentation change) you don't do the necessary paperwork to formalize everything.

Terfing · 05/05/2017 23:19

Buzzfeed is so pro-trans that they're their own parody. It's a shame because they do have a large readership. Sad

sticklebrix · 05/05/2017 23:04

Those comments Shock

ChocChocPorridge · 05/05/2017 22:49

Ugh you're right Quentin.

A couple of good women though, sticking to their guns and getting abused for it, as usual.

picklemepopcorn · 05/05/2017 22:37

we finally have a shot to shine and show our true colours to the gaming world...

Why did they need a women's tournament to do that?

Barcoo2 · 05/05/2017 22:36

Ugh, the comments.

"I'm a real woman because i say i am."

AND

Handmaidens who say the real problem is the lack of legal self-identification.

QuentinSummers · 05/05/2017 22:33

The comments are horrendous :(

ChocChocPorridge · 05/05/2017 22:28

"Now when I saw this [email], I almost broke down in tears; here I am thinking we finally have a shot to shine and show our true colours to the gaming world... and then we get shut down based on our looks, because we didn't look 'female' enough for them,

Nope. you were shut down because you're males, and this was a chance for females to shine (I spent enough time fighting for half as much time on the consoles as the boys had at youth club - we need our space!). Your true colours have been fully shown by your actions.

ChocChocPorridge · 05/05/2017 22:26

I've been to the occasional gaming tournament, I've watched them on TV, and when I was 18, they were bloody intimidating.

Now I'm more than twice that, and they're much less exciting and I've realised lot more stinky than is ideal, and I took my kids to a local one recently (it had been billed as suitable) and it really wasn't, and I wouldn't go again.

If there was a women's only one I'd be much more likely to give it another shot, and if I was 18 year old me, a women's one would be positively wonderful.

Women are allowed things for women. Trans don't have to be involved in everything, and anyone who says otherwise can get knotted.

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